Purchased for $1.75 million in October of 2014, the “modern and sleek” unit #5 in The Silver Building, a full-floor loft conversion with exposed beams, eleven foot ceilings, high-end finishes and air conditioning at 10 Mint Plaza, a Mid-Market location a few blocks from Twitter, returned to the market listed for $1.75 million this past July.

After three months on the market, the asking price for the 1,559-square-foot, two-bedroom unit has been reduced to $1.65 million, a sale at which would now be recorded “at asking” according to all industry stats and reports. And having been relisted anew three weeks ago, a sale today would be counted as having occurred within “21 days of being on the market” according to all industry stats and aggregate reports as well.

Unit #1 in the building, which was purchased for $1.5 million in 2014, resold for a $1.425 million last year, down 5 percent on an apples-to-apples basis, as we reported at the time.

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  1. Posted by hundoman

    Yeah well how bad is the 24 hour homeless problem in that neighborhood and this is probably why the plaza facing business attempts aren’t doing that well either.

    • Posted by SocketSite

      Like the Michelin starred Sushi Hashiri, next door at 4 Mint Plaza, which opened in 2016 and remains one of the most expensive, and highly rated, restaurants in San Francisco?

      • Posted by hundoman

        Well that much larger restaurant space at 10 Mint has been vacant for a long time and then in reading the Yelp reviews for the Mint Plaza area from what people say who are purported to have lived in the building it doesn’t sound all that attractive.

        • Posted by ManDallas

          The owner of Burma Supestar is opening a new restaurant at that vacant lot you describe. As for the “plaza facing business attempts aren’t doing that well either” comment. Mint 54 has been there for over 10 years. SF Fire Credit Union has been there for over 10 years. Blue Bottle Cafe is open 7 days a week and has a line out the door everday. Lastly, as was mentioned, Sushi Hashiri is a Michelin star restaurant. Maybe do a little research before concluding an outcome you have no data on.

  2. Posted by JK

    So weird to have the fridge right in the middle.

    • Posted by James Cox

      Short of an enclosure surrounding the refrigerator on the peninsula, it’s the only esthetic location to put it in MHO.

    • Posted by al

      agreed. whoever laid out the kitchen (fridge/sink/stove) does not cook.

    • Posted by James

      Not really that weird..

  3. Posted by sfwatcher

    Homelessness does not deter business or their patronage. We can always hold our nose for the 10 seconds it takes from an Uber to the restaurant front door, once every couple of months. It does give pause to potential home-buyers though.

    • Posted by SocketSite

      Yes, it must be the homeless which are suddenly depressing property values right here. And at the Infinity. And in the Mission. And obviously that’s why sales activity is down citywide while inventory and price cuts are on the rise.

      • Posted by Outoftown

        After another 10-12 price reductions somebody looking for a home may be able to afford it.

        • Posted by SocketSite

          Oddly enough, it was affordable to somebody in 2014, as was unit #1, back when there were 49,200 fewer people employed in the city and the average household income was lower than today.

          • Posted by Outoftown

            You mean somebody purchased it and a bank was willing to lend them the money; perhaps it was affordable to them as well in which case a small price reduction shouldn’t make them break a sweat. When the market is going up and up some people tend to get in over their head, elsewhere and in SF.

          • Posted by Rillion

            Well one thing that has changed since 2014 is the tax incentives to buy this and the interest rate on any mortgage. Interest expense deduction is now capped at the interest on a $750,000 mortgage, the property taxes are going to exceed the limit on the SALT deduction (which also means none of their state income tax is going to be deductible), plus the interest rate on the mortgage has gone up between a half a percent and a percent since 2014 (depending on month). So, objectively, the affordability of this place has become more of an issue today than it was in 2014.

      • Posted by two beers

        “Yes, it must be the homeless which are suddenly depressing property values right here. ”

        Totally. And we should note that there were no homeless people anywhere near this project when it was repurposed from sweatshops to luxury lofts. It’s as if the homeless hordes descended on this block (if not the city itself) specifically just to mess with property values.There is no other possible explanation.

        • Posted by stevenj

          Not only were there no homeless people before this building was turned into condos, there were no winos/ drunks passed out on the sidewalks that historically called 5th and Mission home for decades.

          • Posted by Dave

            Indeed. Fifth and Mission and surrounding blocks have been the center of SF’s skid row for decades. Homeless, drug addicts, alcoholics and other indigent people have made this area “home” for a long, long time. It is one reason that St. Anthony’s Kitchen/Foundation is in the area and has been for decades. To serve the indigent poor of the surrounding area.

            Along with mid-Market this area has been depressed for decades and attempts have been made to revitalize it. All have pretty much failed. Including the most recent which came along with the tech boom of recent years. This project was one expected to kick-start the area (finally) and includes developments as “far away” as NEMA. Not surprisingly, the depressed nature of the area remains pretty much unchanged. Some may mean it is worse since projects like this one, but to claim that this type of project precipitated what has always been is ridiculous.

  4. Posted by emanon

    I guess I’m old-fashioned. For $1.65 million I want a window in my bedroom.

    • Posted by Tipster

      Oddly enough, in that neighborhood, you really DON’T want a window in your bedroom, because you’d be listening to the homeless fight all night long. I had a friend who rented at Mint Plaza and they said it was every night. Couldn’t wait to move out as soon as their lease was up.

      My favorite features of this home are the prison sink in the last photo and the prison door in the middle photo.

    • Posted by Sam Walters

      For 1.65 million…. I don’t want to soak in my tub and stare at the toilet.

      • Posted by Anon

        The toilet is conveniently placed so you have a place to put your iPhone within easy reach when taking a bath.

    • Posted by SFMichael

      The mirror in the bedroom picture looks to me as if it is reflecting a window.

      • Posted by emanon

        Check out the floorplan. The mirror is opposite the master bath. No windows in master bedroom.

  5. Posted by Dave

    Not an out-of-the-norm drop for a newish condo. 6% over 4 years. In fact, given the seedy area this remains, probably a “reasonable” loss if they get the 1.65 million. Looking at this unit and having been in the area a few months back it’s like 1.65 million!! Really! Only in SF – and those days are coming to an end. The recently featured Infinity unit is done percentage-wise a bit more than this since it’s 2014 sale. Again all in the ballpark and to be expected for the near and medium term. Not huge drops – just a very modest pullback which does nothing significant for SF’s affordability.

    Bottom line, will this unit get 1.65 Million? I’d guess not for several reasons. The area remains stagnant in terms of not seeing an improved sidewalk environment. I sure would not walk these streets at night. The other factor is the fading promise of Hub 2.0 ever really seeing the light of day. Two major residential projects have been abandoned in the past 6 months within blocks of this location. 5M looks like it is on hold. Suggestion to the seller, if they get an offer approaching 1.65 million take it. And don’t look back.

  6. Posted by two beers

    “The area remains stagnant in terms of not seeing an improved sidewalk environment”

    Who knew that policies that have pushed levels of economic inequality past those of the Great Depression would make gentrification problematic in neighborhoods that have been home to lower-income classes for well over a century? Why can’t poor people just go away and die, and leave our property values alone?

    • Posted by Outoftown

      “…inequality past those of the Great Depression”

      Yes, the great depression was mere child’s play with the millions of people starving because of rampant unemployment and Rockefeller and friends didn’t have much more… it was much better than today’s unemployment rate around 3%. Homelessness is a serious problem for those that live on the street but not an unsurmountable problem.

  7. Posted by Gee Ess

    Income inequality in the USA (by certain measurements, like the shares of total income of the top 1% and top 0.1% of earners), has in the last 10 years reached and exceeded the peak preceding the Great Depression.

    • Posted by Outoftown

      The graph you linked does show that the inequality reached similar levels around 2006. However the Obama administration kept the country out of a depression the scale of the one in the thirties and implying that today’s conditions are anywhere close to the thirties is insane, even if you can find one measure that is similar. Perhaps you haven’t been blessed with a family member that described to you what the thirties were like – first hand stories always leave a bigger mark.

      • Posted by Gee Ess

        It sounds like you inferred that I think somehow we are in conditions similar to the Great Depression, which was obviously pretty terrible. I was not implying that (nor do I think two beers was). Massive income inequality is a problem in itself, and also a signal of economic inefficiency that, combined with other factors, can presage economic disaster.

        • Posted by Outoftown

          I agree on that – great income inequality does not serve a purpose for society as a whole; nobody is that talented and indispensable that they need a net worth in the billions or hundreds of millions… not sure what the limit is.

          Anyway, those aren’t the types that would buy this condo and if the people on the street can’t make a living when we have historically low unemployment rates, they probably couldn’t make it in any economy – some need serious mental health treatment whereas others are stuck in drug addiction.

      • Posted by Sabbie

        No, Obama’s actions did not save the day, they actually paved the way for Trump… because I guarantee you if he and Holder had sent a few bankers to jail (and the hundreds of billions in bank fines would imply that there was indeed quite a bit of wrongdoing) public resentment towards the establishment would not be what it is today.

        Anyways I’d be less worried about the 1930s and more worried about the recent 33% drop in Facebook shares. Someone on this forum keeps saying he won’t be worried until Facebook something something. I’ll bet quite a few folks in the Bay Area are feeling less wealthy over the past month.

        • Posted by Notcom

          ‘Gee Ess’ didn’t actually say he “saved the day”; s/he said “(his) administration kept the country out of a depression the scale of the one in the thirties”, which is objectively true since we didn’t have one. (Whether they merely delayed one is an interesting topic, but maybe a little beyond a thread about a condo in SoMa..ya think?)

          But how they (allegedly) did it – by flooding us with cheap money for a decade – has a lot to do with this condo – not specifically, but just generally – and the ‘unwinding’ of such should probably join the Worry Parade for which facebook’s share price is serving as the Grad Marshall.

  8. Posted by Brahma (incensed renter)

    When the editor posted about this property back in July of last year, I wrote:

    With an HOA Fee of $1,426.47 monthly, the buyer has to trust that the building’s management is doing lots of power washing outside to minimize the disgustingness.

    Well, the HOA dues are now up to $1,523 per month, an increase of over 6.5% in a little over a year. If the sidewalk environment is not improved, it’s certainly not because the HOA doesn’t have the money to devote to improving it.

  9. Posted by Mark F.

    I like the unit, but the location is very bad. You couldn’t pay me to live here.

  10. Posted by Amewsed

    Better question is what will be the final sales price which sets a downward trend for comps.

  11. Posted by Jumbo

    It’s remarkable that someone would pay over a million to basically live on the set of the walking dead every time you step outside.

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