December 6, 2012
Big Plans For The "Short-Sited" SoMa Block At 8th And Harrison
Upon the nearly full-block bus depot site at 8th and Harrison Streets, an eight building multi-use development with over 400 residential units and 22,000 square feet of retail, office and arts space is proposed to rise at 350 8th Street, a key component of the proposed Western SoMa development plan which some consider to be rather "short-sited."
The eight buildings of the 350 8th Street project would rise five and six stories with the majority of the proposed 410 residential units (168 two-bedrooms, 196 one-bedrooms, and 46 studios) located over ground floor retail or commercial, click the images to enlarge.
Nearly 400 off-street parking spaces would be located underground or within the interior of the Stud-adjacent site, which includes a public park on the corner and "open space" within.
While Archtsone has been leading the charge, expect either AvalonBay or Equity Residential to pick up the project and run with its development without missing a stride.
A few more renderings of the project as proposed, including the courtyard, which is up for approval by San Francisco's Planning Commission this afternoon:
∙ Planning's Vision And Development Plan For Western SoMa [SocketSite]
∙ A Short-Sighted Plan For Western SoMa? [SocketSite]
First Published: December 6, 2012 10:15 AM
Comments from "Plugged In" Readers
Love seeing the pix of The Stud. Worked at its previous location many many moons ago.
Not feelin the renderings. Look very generic with the fake color enhancements. No personality at all.
Posted by: Cade at December 6, 2012 10:32 AM
There is something that I dislike greatly about the courtyard, inner area... I think that creating a system of narrower internal alleys lined with shops and cafes could be cool and attract attention, but the renderings make it look more like a driveway lined with lost children and hungry real estate agents.
Let's not suburbanize the heart of our city, please.
Posted by: Rob at December 6, 2012 11:02 AM
Rob, it won't be lost children, but lost dogs in our DINK-centric city.
Posted by: Oceangoer at December 6, 2012 11:12 AM
I agree with the comment against suburbanizing SOMA. This design is a waste of a huge parcel.
Posted by: Marten at December 6, 2012 12:00 PM
A profound waste of space in the heart of the city.
Posted by: Snark17 at December 6, 2012 12:12 PM
Looks very similar to the numersous complexes over by the rails in Emeryville & Oakland. No complaints, like the mews concept, 8th street side of complex should be a little more commercial (including another floor or two) it's mainly a fast moving corridor to the bridge ramp.
Posted by: Invented at December 6, 2012 12:21 PM
a horrible suburban project (wtf is the point of that courtyard drive thing?) and a waste of this enormous lot.
Posted by: david m at December 6, 2012 12:23 PM
Hate seeing all that interior parking. If the parking were ALL underground, then it could be a wonderful green courtyard. Instead the rendering shows little tufts here and there. Note that the "green" shades on the plan are "open space" and not necessarily landscape at all...mostly hardscape. The more I look at it, the less I like it.
The drive through Solomon mews project in Hayes Valley (Fulton Grove) has a similar idea of merging car and open space. I thought that was a crafty solution to a difficult design problem. Here...I'm not so impressed.
Posted by: curmudgeon at December 6, 2012 12:24 PM
Suburbanization of SOMA LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
well at least there is enough fertilizer for future lawns!
Posted by: Suburban SOMA at December 6, 2012 12:56 PM
Apparently all future growth in the city in The 21st century will be in Upper Market, Mission Bay, and Rincon Hill.
[Editor's Note: If you're wondering where the next 30,000 housing units and 10 million square feet of commerical space in San Francisco are currently slated to be built...San Francisco's Housing Pipeline: 4,200 New Units On The Way.]
Posted by: sf at December 6, 2012 1:16 PM
Wow, more non-descript and unaffordable housing.
Posted by: Rhill at December 6, 2012 1:57 PM
So if everyone looks to bash the project, why not give a suggestion about what would be better than a large parking lot? I for one am for the ongoing developments in SOMA rather than leaving lots like this one as is.
Posted by: mr.soma at December 6, 2012 2:23 PM
If you are going to do a design like this why not more 3 bedroom units for families?
I was hoping for something similar in Mission Bay but it didn't seem to happen that way
Posted by: Zig at December 6, 2012 3:09 PM
Wow...that fight on Folsom and Dore being pushed by the woman in the new units that went in a couple of years ago across from the Power House...that was just one woman. If this boring Peninsula-design, suburban trap gets built...that one woman's voice is going to multiply and what is left of the arts and nightlife scene in that part of town will just go bye-bye.
This is right off the freeway and on a couple of bus routes (Folsom, Bryant, and Polk). For the love of Pete...can't we come up with a better mixed use plan for this area that will not only allow for the survival of small shops and night-life but will also serve as an anchor to bring more people into this area?
Posted by: Jay at December 6, 2012 3:32 PM
A few comments..
Definitely NOT enough parking..many people who live in this area commute to penisula for tech jobs. If you don't build the parking, all the cars on the street will create huge congestion and parking issues....not to mention many more breakins and wastes of SFPD's time
Why so short? it is shortsighted. this is an area that has no culture and no small SFHs, so there is no reason to waste this space with small undertakings. This could easily be a minimum of 8-10 floors without changing the flair of the neighborhoos(although probably needs changing from rampant crime and drug use and human feces). and whos views would be blocked?
why no 3 bdrooms? Even as a DINK like myself, I would only want a 3bdr or greater because its nice to have the space. Imagine if you have a kid or a parent who may want to live with you. It doesn't make sense to at least havee 10-20 3bdrooms.
no architectual creativity. another SF box. can't something asthetically pleasing and interesting be built
Posted by: spencer at December 6, 2012 3:45 PM
I can hardly wait to go to the Stud, drink like a fish, then throw up on the doorsteps of these hideous hellholes. Hide your husbands, hide your kids.
Posted by: Stucco_Sux at December 6, 2012 7:57 PM
And then the Stud gets an avalanche of noise complaints, like the Eagle and Slims.
I say keep the parking lot.
Bonus points if you can remind me of the name of the tiny hotdog stand across Gordon from the Stud.
Posted by: Meh at December 6, 2012 9:20 PM
The dance floor and speakers at the Stud are on the 9th St. side of the building, so there shouldn't be that much of a noise problem from the Stud. The streets are loud, though, with traffic coming off the freeway.
Posted by: Dan at December 6, 2012 10:49 PM
I would be afraid to live in that neighborhood.
Posted by: Mike at December 7, 2012 2:31 AM
Poor Mike. Guess what, you don't have to live in that neighborhood.
Honestly, I know people who live right across the street in "Ironworks"...it's no big deal.
Posted by: curmudgeon at December 7, 2012 9:17 AM
Tough crowd. The overall design looks OK to me. I like the variety of surface treatments to break it up and the mews-like approach works for me. But I do wish there was some variety in the height of the various buildings. That would really help give it a more fine-toothed feel and help make it look less monolithic.
Posted by: Turin at December 7, 2012 10:15 AM
This should be 8-10 stories, no less.
Posted by: Michael at December 7, 2012 11:21 AM
So, a few blocks to Van Ness and Market and we allow 30 stories. A few blocks towards downtown and we allow 90 stories (or whatever the Rincon tower is). A few blocks towards the water and we allow 15 stories. But here, in an area of industrial buildings and lofts right next to a freeway we decide to "preserve" something (not sure what) and bravely reach only six stories.
Our descendants are going to wonder about us.
Posted by: BobN at December 8, 2012 3:01 AM
Generic and bland. What's the point of the alleyways when they add no character or real functionality? I agree, a waste of space.
Thumbs down. Looks like it belongs in San Jose, not in San Francisco.
Posted by: Gregg at December 10, 2012 3:18 PM