November 30, 2012
Latest SF Skyscraper Scoop: 181 Fremont Redesigned And Rendered
Back in 2007, the proposed skyscraper to rise at 181 Fremont street which was designed by HellerManus reached 900 feet and would have yielded around 500,000 square feet of office space below 140 residential condominiums.
Having been waylaid by the market, the project is now making its way back through planning, but the proposed steel framed tower has been downsized to 52 stories reaching 700 feet with a decorative screen reaching to 745 feet and a spire to the 802-foot mark.
As now proposed, the tower would contain 404,000 square feet of office space on floors 3 to 35, 74 condos on floors 38 to 52, and 7,000 square feet of residential amenities and a two-story open air terrace wrapping around the building on level 36 for residents:
A bridge to the elevated City Park atop the future Transit Center extends from floor 5.
And underneath it all, a five-level subterranean garage would provide parking for 200 cars
First Published: November 30, 2012 4:30 PM
Comments from "Plugged In" Readers
This building will really help fill in the skyline between the Transbay Tower and the Rincon Hill highrises. Can't wait to see it finished!!
Posted by: MichaelG at November 30, 2012 4:43 PM
Please, please, please don't let Heller Manus design anything so visible on our skyline! It took decades for surrounding development to be built to distract from the abomination that they designed at 101 Mission. This will never be hidden in our lifetimes. Take the example of Tishman Speyer (for the Infinity and the adjacent new 2-tower development) and whoever's developing 340 Fremont, and get a better firm of designers to do something with this.
Posted by: Steve at November 30, 2012 4:53 PM
Note to Editor:
Perhaps give some consideration to shrinking the blue box you've overlaid on the first photo by the width of the plaza to the NW of the historic building that houses Town Hall. Believe that plaza is owned by 199 Fremont - and probably their only claim to such an address considering the building is located at Beale and Howard...
[Editor's Note: Great catch and since updated.]
Posted by: GoodBuyBadTimes at November 30, 2012 5:29 PM
I would agree that Heller-Manus has designed some really unfortunate and badly detailed buildings on our skyline..in the past. They have also had a number of their projects taken over by Arqitectonica.
I don't know if they are the lead architects on this proposed tower, or a joint venture team.
But...from these initial renderings, it looks promising; bold structural expression, clean modern curtain wall; interesting top but not overly designed.
I'm willing to give this a chance as we see more detailed development of the skin. This could be a handsome addition to our skyline..and some more urban housing near transit.
Posted by: futurist at November 30, 2012 6:20 PM
"Please, please, please don't let Heller Manus design anything so visible on our skyline!" -Steve
Heller-Manus does have a mediocre track record, but this design is very nice, and a large step up from their typical designs. Looks good to me, and it's in a good location, I hope it gets built.
Posted by: cbf at November 30, 2012 7:26 PM
Hello? This is 1985 New York City calling? It doesn't want its building back, you say?
Posted by: Stucco_Sux at November 30, 2012 7:55 PM
Cool. Wish more towers in SF went the mixed-use condo over office route
Posted by: Michael at November 30, 2012 8:13 PM
looks like a jazzed-up hancock tower (chicago, not boston).
which is a good thing.
Posted by: shnitzer at November 30, 2012 9:09 PM
A mini version of the Bank of China tower in Hong Kong. I've always liked that building.
Posted by: Guest666 at November 30, 2012 9:12 PM
Guest666 beat me to it.
Posted by: soccermom at November 30, 2012 9:25 PM
This is a great building all around and needs to get built.
Posted by: sf at December 1, 2012 1:24 AM
This looks great. Curious about the outdoor space in the middle-- patio for workers/condo residents?
Posted by: Snark17 at December 1, 2012 8:47 AM
Would've been cool if there was a hotel between the residences and the offices. Need to have more of these mixed use buildings. I'm assuming this will probably get built at the same time as the transbay terminal.
Posted by: Ivan at December 1, 2012 9:41 AM
Man, it seems that this year has been a non-stop parade of new tower plans which are now back in motion. I've lost track of all of them. It would be neat to see a map with all the towers that are being planned noted on them.... especially marking the ones that are actually in progress or will break dirt in the next year.....
Posted by: BigV at December 1, 2012 9:54 AM
I love it because it's so atypical for SF. The outdoor space at the top is amazing, and the bridge to the park is so cool. Also, thank you, thank you, for not having any boring low-level, non-view condos.
Posted by: Damion at December 1, 2012 1:16 PM
Don't like the design and, in addition, I love what is already there. They aren't historically significant?
Posted by: Marten at December 1, 2012 10:02 PM
No the little 2-3 story buildings on that location are not historically significant. There's a lot of little crappy buildings downtown. Not everything brick is historic.
This is potentially solid design in a great location near the new Transbay terminal.
Posted by: futurist at December 1, 2012 10:05 PM
Are there any other mixed use office and multifamily high rises in SF? I can't think of any.
Posted by: sf at December 2, 2012 9:58 AM
I would have really liked it if the tower went up to 900ft instead of 800ft. Lots of the skyscrapers being planed in SF now have been downsized.
Posted by: aahuatzi at December 2, 2012 11:14 AM
MichaelG is misinformed. 100 (it is not 101) is designed by SOM Houston. We only did urban design and massing consideration in the early phases, when SOM was in trouble with planning. It is a common misperception.
Jeffrey Heller FAIA
Posted by: Jeffrey Heller at December 2, 2012 6:14 PM
??? I was just expressing my own personal opinion about how I think that this tower will help fill in the gap in the skyline between FiDi and the Rincon Hill highrise developments.
Posted by: MichaelG at December 2, 2012 9:06 PM
333 Bush & 611 Washington are mixed use high rises.
usually the HOAs get out of control.
Posted by: Paul Hwang at December 2, 2012 9:08 PM
Jeffrey Heller is referring to the comment by Steve, right below MichaelG's comment.
Posted by: Dan at December 2, 2012 10:06 PM
Right, my comment is to comment below yours, so thank you MichaelG, I appreciate the comment from you.
Posted by: Jeffrey Heller at December 2, 2012 10:49 PM
What is the height limit on the parcel?
Posted by: Joe at December 3, 2012 11:32 AM
"What is the height limit on the parcel?" -Joe
The height limit there is 700' to roof-level (the height limit was raised a few months ago, along with a bunch of other Transbay area parcels), and extra height is allowed for mechanical structures/crowns/spires, so this building is all good under existing height limits.
Posted by: cbf at December 3, 2012 1:37 PM
The key for buying a condo in a mixed-use building is to fully understand the relationship between the HOA (homeowner side) and COA (commercial side) with respect to common areas. Just remember the homeowners at 260 King (the Beacon) and some of the battles between the various ownership groups.
Posted by: JustLooking at December 3, 2012 2:06 PM
I wonder if that middle space will become a wind tunnel.
Posted by: ciparis at December 3, 2012 7:25 PM
I love skyscrapers. It may not be the best in the world, but I think it is nice. We could scrutinize everything so much that nothing ever gets built.
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