April 15, 2011

A Sneak Peek Inside The Rather Dramatic 3843 22nd Street

3843 22nd Street Dining

It’s not yet listed, but as a plugged-in tipster notes, 3843 22nd Street is about to hit the market in Noe. And while the asking price hasn’t yet been unveiled, interior photos have.

3843 22nd Street Kitchen

And amongst all the other dramatic details (don't miss the pool), furnishings, and fixtures, as usual our eyes went straight to the stove.

3843 22nd Street Stove

∙ Listing: 3843 22nd Street (3/2) - $1,799,000 [dramaticnoe.com] [MLS]

First Published: April 15, 2011 12:00 PM

Comments from "Plugged In" Readers

Interesting approach to photography - done almost entirely with available light, no strobes. Standard complaint about photos that detail staging but describe nothing about the house. Man, this place is loaded show off features.

I'm not understanding how the kitchen relates with the rest of the floorplan. It seems to be off in a balcony of its own.

Posted by: The Milkshake of Despair at April 15, 2011 12:15 PM

Can anyone explain what exactly is happening in picture #12? I have no idea what is going on in that photo. This place wins the award for sure. What exact award I am not sure, but it is deserving of something.

Posted by: eddy at April 15, 2011 12:16 PM

eddy - #12 seems to be a detail shot of a glass topped table. Is this table included with the property? If not what is the purpose of this photo?

Posted by: The Milkshake of Despair at April 15, 2011 12:22 PM

Pic 12 is a close up of the top of the table in pic 11.

Posted by: FFS at April 15, 2011 12:26 PM

I hope the late '50's Alfa 2000 is included in the sale.

Posted by: redseca2 at April 15, 2011 12:29 PM

Very cool, but it looks like it would be impractical for actual living. Kitchen looks like it has little usable counter space or storage space, and is inconveniently located, and the pool looks like a moisture problem in the making. I would love to stay here for a week's vacation but anything more than that would get old fast.

Posted by: ilivehere at April 15, 2011 12:30 PM

That's a cool stove, but what is the stuff on the side? Extra ovens? Warming areas? Something else? Either way, neat!

Posted by: lyqwyd at April 15, 2011 12:31 PM

reminds me of The Central Hall of this (hit link, then scroll down)

Posted by: asiagoSF at April 15, 2011 1:01 PM

I see the firehouse down the block finally sold:


Nice block!

Posted by: A.T. at April 15, 2011 1:09 PM

a bit over inspired in IMO, but clearly lots of love poured into the home. Pics give a good idea of the contents of the home, but hard to get a sense for the overall layout. will take a unique buyer for a unique home....

Posted by: Ta hoe at April 15, 2011 1:13 PM

Zillow estimate is $1.4M

I'm guessing it lists for $1.6M and sell for $1.35M

Posted by: Spencer at April 15, 2011 1:18 PM

This is my street. The firehouse is on the same block, almost across the street. I walk by this house almost every day and had no clue it looked like this on the inside.

Like others, can't really find the appropriate adjective to describe the decor. A pool? Woah. The house on hill street for sale has a pool too, but that one is outdoors.

I feel so plain compared to my neighbors, but then again, I like my house.

Posted by: 22nd Street at April 15, 2011 1:22 PM

I'm surprised no one got up in arms over a bizarre looking addition to a Victorian. Seems like one of those additions that may have worked for the current seller, but might not work for others..

Posted by: sfrenegade at April 15, 2011 1:31 PM

Love the place.

I think Zillow is a bit far from the market value for this home. There's square foot and there's square foot. This is incredibly unique and one person will fall in love with it (her?).

I wouldn't be surprised they'd list at 2.1M or 2.2M, then lower and lower to find their special someone until it sells. Maybe 1.75-1.85M?

P.S. I think #12 is a glass ceiling on whatever area that is not pictured.

Posted by: lol at April 15, 2011 1:38 PM

Never mind. Glass table. Too much illy espresso and Leonidas truffles.

Posted by: lol at April 15, 2011 1:41 PM

What a bizarre house. I almost like it, but it's way overdone.

The pool looks like it's one of these useless "endless" pools.

Posted by: Mikey at April 15, 2011 2:03 PM

I know you're all dying to hear what I have to say. I'll keep it short.

An extremely personalized house on the interior that will appeal to very, very few people. As a buyer, you essentially have to love this kind of living space, as is, or re-do the entire interior to suit your taste. The price will reflect that.

Kitchen is a mash-up of "quaint", minimal counter-space and 80's retro-see the glass block.

The pool: who really would want that? pretty much rules out families with young kids or any kids. The moisture issue, I suspect, is a big problem since there is no separation between pool and other rooms.

Location: great
Exterior addition: completely out of character.
Interior: granny meets 80's retro bachelor pad.
Price: $1.5m....on a good, sunny day.

Posted by: noearch at April 15, 2011 2:10 PM

If memory serves, that's probably one of five hundred or so remaining Magic Chef 1000 right stacks. Built in the late twenties. That one is in flawless condition. God knows how much it would be worth. $10K if it looks as good in person as it does here.

If I recall correctly, top to bottom of the stack, you have a bread warmer http://www.antiquestoves.com/gas%20stoves/images/mcrtchps/MVC-008X.JPG, a second oven http://www.antiquestoves.com/gas%20stoves/images/mcrtchps/MVC-007X.JPG, a broiler http://www.antiquestoves.com/gas%20stoves/images/mcrtchps/MVC-015X.JPG and a storage drawer http://www.antiquestoves.com/gas%20stoves/images/mcrtchps/MVC-009X.JPG.

Kudos to them for keeping it.

Posted by: tipster at April 15, 2011 2:16 PM

granny meets 80's retro bachelor pad.

More like Edgar Allen Poe meets Martha Stewart Connecticut country house

Posted by: Mikey at April 15, 2011 2:43 PM

another broken real estate site...do RE agents only use family members for IT or something?

Posted by: EH at April 15, 2011 2:46 PM

yea, nice description too, mikey. love it.

Posted by: noearch at April 15, 2011 2:46 PM

re-do the entire interior

Good business practice I guess...

A salesman will easily tell you "please come back to me when you want to move up in a couple of years". An architect's advice will often be "it would be more efficient/easier/cheaper to redo into a {put the flavor-du-jour} style. And then 5 years later you'll have to update because the place looks aged and out-of-fashion (soooo 2010s)

Posted by: lol at April 15, 2011 2:50 PM

good try lol. but you failed.

I said zero about cheaper/efficient/easier to redo. Read again.

I find it hard to believe that ANY current buyer will want to live in that very defined style of interior. Right now it fits one particular family/individual very well. It is extremely specific, and they have probably enjoyed it very much while living there.

The next owner, I suspect, will not.

Posted by: noearch at April 15, 2011 3:11 PM

I could live there. And I could afford it. But I have already bought. I would not change anything. This place has a soul. Whereas architect redos of late have no soul with the forensic lab look.

Posted by: lol at April 15, 2011 3:18 PM

Really, everything every architect does is a forensic lab? Cause I'm pretty sure some of the work I've been doing doesn't look like that, or are they putting spanish tile and salvaged beams in labs these days.

Posted by: sparky-b at April 15, 2011 3:28 PM

That's an interesting comment, from a psychological/social level:

You would live there. You can afford it. All good, except where you get to the part where you would "not change anything".

And yet this unique interior would say absolutely nothing about YOU as a person, only about the previous owner. I don't understand.

You're confusing an "architect redo" (whatever that means) with designing an interior or exterior to reflect the owner's particular personality/style/taste/budget, etc.

Posted by: noearch at April 15, 2011 3:28 PM

@sparky-b: why does your linked name keeping bringing up ODC Dance school?

And since when did you become an architect? If so, I missed that a longgggggggggg time ago. I thought you were a contractor.

Just asking.

Oh, wait! you mean the work you are "constructing" vs. "designing"?

Posted by: noearch at April 15, 2011 3:32 PM

In addition to the pool moisture and potential chemical odor issue, you will experience the unique blend of chlorine with auto exhaust aftertaste, if I read photo #22 correctly.

Or is the classic Alfa Romeo merely a sculptural feature and you would need to remove a wall or two to get it to the street?

Posted by: redseca2 at April 15, 2011 3:44 PM

sparky, yeah, I'd love what you describe too.


archtalk 101: convince the individual he is unique and has unique needs. Flattering an ego has an excellent ROI.

For me, I could live in many places, as long as they have a human element. I understand a place is not only a place, but I don't buy too much into the "buy a perfectly good house, gut it, make into a different but perfectly good house, live in it 2 years, sell it to someone who will certainly do the same". I buy for the long term, a price that has the layout I want, in the location I want, in my price range. Let someone else spend his retirement money to redo the kitchen or the layout, and buy from him!

This never-ending-remodel way of life is very wasteful in energy, resources, attention. There's more in life than over-improving your kitchen until you get it "just riiiight", only to discover you have no time or will or even interest to cook. How many pergranasteel kitchen of the 2000s with professional-grade ranges are used to their full potential?

Posted by: lol at April 15, 2011 4:16 PM

wow lol: nice of you to tell us all how to live.

what the hell is this "archtalk 101" stuff? huh? Flattering an ego? ROI? wtf?

You cleverly sidestepped my basic comment about how completely "personalized? this current house is, and that you would actually not change a thing for yourself.

Don't believe you for a minute.

Posted by: noearch at April 15, 2011 4:24 PM

What I find interesting is that this house, and the Firehouse (practically across the street) are both so unique in their styling (and not family friendly), and yet the stero-type for this 'hood would be to have just family-friendly styling going on.
Might not be the best choice of styling in order to get a good sale, but I applaud the uniqueness of each of these.

Posted by: DanRH at April 15, 2011 4:39 PM


Sure it's personalized. Remove the furniture and it's a bit less so. I like the colors, even though they wouldn't fit in an Unhappy Hipster mock-article.

And about how to live. Do whatever you want, but I myself am favoring smarter development. Gutting a house that has absolutely nothing structurally wrong is a waste of limited resources. For an architect it means a 5 figure envelope instead of 6 figure. Hence the reaction ;)

Posted by: lol at April 15, 2011 4:55 PM


I forgot the link was on there from when I was posting on the ODC/park thing. I took it off now. Plus most post on that thread got pulled down anyway.

Posted by: sparky-b at April 15, 2011 4:57 PM

I think it's badass. I'd leave quite a bit of it but would probably change some stuff (personally I like even darker, almost black wood and I don't like the kitchen). The cigar ad wall, sky light, pool and stairway kick ass. The place just seems different and has a cool vibe. Granted I'm a specific demographic - 20s, single, no kids, not a huge fan of modern, etc.

But alas.. if only it had a view of the water.

Posted by: lolcat_94123 at April 15, 2011 5:37 PM

oh, jeezus.

badass. check.
kick ass. check.
cool vibe. check.

The definitive lingo of a hipster living at 21st and Valencia with 5 roommates and a frig full of PBR.

Posted by: noearch at April 15, 2011 5:41 PM

What a hideous remodel. I count the following "styles""
Victorian- original
50's- glass block
Asian- shojii screen
"Craftsman"- dining room table and chairs
Retro-- stove/ oven
There are more I'm sure but this is off the top of my head from once through the photos.
Very sad and tragic

Posted by: LD at April 15, 2011 5:48 PM

anchor steam noearch..
come on man.

Posted by: lolcat_94123 at April 15, 2011 5:50 PM

well yea. Anchor steam if ya got a damn job.


Posted by: noearch at April 15, 2011 5:56 PM

lolcat, you're probably just too young. Even if he wasn't aware of it, noearch was invoking a cultural reference to the 1986 movie "Blue Velvet".

Here a half-decent version of the clip.

Posted by: Brahma (incensed renter) at April 16, 2011 10:39 AM

Weel, yea, sort of brahma..

mostly my playful comment was about PBR being the beer of choice for the hipster crowd. it's cheap.

Posted by: noearch at April 16, 2011 11:52 AM

PBR, a key element in any worthy hipster trap.

Posted by: justme at April 16, 2011 12:41 PM

exactly! love to see a few of those around Noe V..clean up the hood a little bit.:)

Posted by: noearch at April 16, 2011 2:23 PM

Fabulous hot mess.

Posted by: sunset guy at April 17, 2011 11:26 AM

Brahma, I think it's really that you're too old.

Posted by: EH at April 17, 2011 3:26 PM

I love that kitchen!

Posted by: Rebekah may at April 17, 2011 8:33 PM

I think this is where Frodo retired, and clearly smoked a lot of Longbottom Leaf.

Posted by: amused at April 18, 2011 10:46 AM

Isn't this where 'the most interesting man in the world' from the Dos Equis ad lives?

Posted by: DanRH at April 26, 2011 12:06 PM

3843 22nd Street has just been listed and priced at $1,799,000.

Posted by: SocketSite at April 28, 2011 10:06 AM

They're starting right in the lower range I gave (1.75-1.85). I think it will sell at close to that. At most 5% off.

Posted by: lol at April 28, 2011 10:46 AM

By the way, I am pretty often in NV these days and have noticed someone planted tiny US flags into the "gifts" some dogs left on the sidewalk. I don't have any pics, but I have seen at least 3 these past 2 weeks. Just sharing. Some people have humor.

Posted by: lol at April 28, 2011 10:50 AM

Already a Sale Pending sign up.
That's (potentially) quick.

If a sale goes through, I think lol may come up close on the price.

Posted by: DanRH at May 12, 2011 8:55 AM

Sold for 1.95M, and a bunch of you were off by a mile.

Posted by: [anon.ed] at June 8, 2011 1:17 PM

Wow, nice outcome. They found the right buyer and I hope he won't tear everything inside.

Posted by: lol at June 8, 2011 1:46 PM

Nice job lol! Off by 5% on a pre-list prediction. Hey anon.ed, what did you guess? That's what I thought...

Posted by: nonanon at June 8, 2011 1:53 PM

$150k over asking.. Seems to me that sounds like more than one 'right buyer'... Like maybe a bit of an old school bidding war.

Posted by: R at June 8, 2011 1:56 PM

$718 psft was a bargain for something this size in that area.

3664 22nd went for $820 psft, but was larger (which usually drops the psft price) and new (which raises it).


373 Eureka was $733psft, again larger, not brand new, though redone in a very modern style. Curb appeal was nothing special, and the neighboring homes look dowdy. And it sold for more, even though it was larger.


This home had some unique features which buyers either love or hate. I liked it, a lot. In this case, someone else did too and paid about the going rate.

The low predictions were from people who disliked it, but the reality is that it has a dramatic entrance, dramatic features, and at this low price, you had plenty of money left over to make it your own style.


See it for yourself and ignore the cheerleading spin. This sold for a very very low price. I would have expected something like 2.1-2.3. The specific style kept the price low but it's a very dramatic home, even if you want to redo some of the features inside. Good deal for the buyer.

About all that can be said here is that some people didn't like it and wouldn't have paid as high a price for it. The reality is that this did not go for a lot of money.

Posted by: tipster at June 8, 2011 2:35 PM

Jeez, I should have checked my horoscope to see if I can afford Noe. It will be interesting to see if we can keep minting millionaires for $2million Noe homes. Impressive.

Posted by: EBGuy at June 8, 2011 3:02 PM

"That's what I thought..."

Didn't I? Well it's not as if I don't hazard educated guesses on here all the time. Probably wasn't online that day is all. Stay tuned, hater.

Posted by: [anon.ed] at June 8, 2011 3:16 PM

"See it for yourself and ignore the cheerleading spin. This sold for a very very low price. I would have expected something like 2.1-2.3. The specific style kept the price low but it's a very dramatic home, even if you want to redo some of the features inside. Good deal for the buyer."

You are so all over the place there, Tipster. You're correct about the specific style keeping it down. But "very very low" ? Come on man. It went for ~2M. That's basically you saying "Silicon Valley companies do/don't effect SF RE" all over again. If you don't have a coherent thought it's cool to not try to spin something ubernegative all the time. Really, it is.

Posted by: [anon.ed] at June 8, 2011 3:20 PM

I wasn't spinning. I outlined the comps in the area and suggested that this was not out of line, and probably a little low.

The comps are what matters, not a prediction on a blog. It did not appear to reach the comps, though there are many other variables. One very stylized home selling for a below comps doesn't a trend make. But when you see many homes with the same result, that tells you prices are falling.

And fall they will. All anyone can do is to slow the decreases down, I'm afraid, though occasionally they can cause a bit of a temporary increase here and there.

It should be no surprise that this home sold for a price as low as it did. Thanks for bringing it up, we might have missed the lower-than-comps sales price if it weren't for you, anon.ed. Good job, Ace!

Posted by: tipster at June 8, 2011 5:39 PM

Probably a little low? OK, that's perhaps an argument although it was over $700 a foot and quite idiosyncratic (albeit cool IMO). However that's not what you said. "Very very low" was what you said. Repeatedly. And now you're on about something else as if you aren't changing your words around as you continue to spin. Have fun spinning dude. If you spin enough on Socketsite, that Pacific Heights condo with views and parking will spring forth from the ether. Internet blogs are all powerful and you have tapped into the cosmos.

Posted by: [anon.ed] at June 8, 2011 8:03 PM

@tipster, suggestion: next time you want to drop a number, ie, 'this sold for a very very low price, I would have expected something like 2.1-2.3') do it before the sale amount gets announced.

Posted by: DanRH at June 9, 2011 4:21 PM

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