Purchased for $751,000 in 2005, the little single-family Potrero Hill home at 1136 De Haro is looking and living a little more Euro today (above) than it did back then (below).
And it looks to be living larger than its 900 square feet as well, especially on a warm sunny day when the new deck off the new kitchen or space below are in play.
∙ Listing: 1136 De Haro (2/1) 900 sqft – $799,000 [MLS]
Confusing set of pictures. A floorplan would be helpful. It looks like you have to walk through the living room to get to the dining room. It appears they have staged the unfinished lower level. Did they run out of money?
Before the hate parade begins in earnest, I’d like to say that this is a charming and by all appearances very livable transformation of a small space.
Nicely done, I think – Euro-style as SS points out, so quite tasteful (i.e. understated – unlike quite a lot of the stuff you see in SF – and, yes, I am European).
Agree with 94114 – what’s the deal with the lower level? That would, at least, have made a nice third bedroom / spare room. It does at least look like it could be finished by the new owner without too much financial outlay.
And finally, hilarious – for me, at least – that half the pictures are of the neighborhood. Not that it isn’t a nice one, if a little edgy, but still… 27 slides devoted to Chez Papa, Farleys, etc?
Nice renovation, although it looks like the only entry into the bathroom is from the master bedroom.
A nice small cool space.
I like it! Projects are close by but probably far enough away to be a non-issue. 900 SF is kinda small too but you do have the downstairs basement for storage. Good luck to the seller.
Weird space underneath the new deck. Who lives that way here in cool SF? That’s how you’d live in Palm Springs or Hawaii.
Plan layout is weak, having to walk thru rooms to get to rooms, but that’s pretty normal for an old house that has not been fully renovated.
Is that a brick chimney hidden by the sheetrock? Nice collapse hazard in a shaker.
Finally: looks like Ikea made quite a stop here with the cabinets and storage units. Not hating on Ikea, just saying.
Wow, that deck is truly an inspiration as we’re built out to maximum lot coverage. Just add a glass roll up door after the inspectors have passed through. Except that over on this side of the bay lot coverage calculations include any deck over … [a] paved ground area. Rats.
For those who are interested, here’s the permit details.
Description: Demolish existing rear deck and stair and construct new deck and firewall and new stair. Add beam @ kitchen.
Cost: $30,000.00
Asking 2011 price minus commissions = 2005 price. I assume a lot of upgrades between the 2. Not a too bad deal for a buyer. Not a great deal neither, as this is still only 900sf of livable space with no parking. Not targeted at a family with 2 kids. This limits the buyer pool considerably in this price range.
Nice outdoors space. Good thing it’s in Potrero with nicer weather than many other parts of town. I still favor enclosed spaces with lots of windows compared to attractive outdoors decks. These past 2 days have been windy and chilly. Brrr…
I like the usage of the below deck area, seems about as good as you can do unless you fully enclose it and make it part of the house. I’d install a gas heater and then it’s perfect for being outside when it’s cold/windy/raining.
And only 1/2 block from there, for a mere 100K more, you can buy a 3-unit building at 1017 De Haro where EACH of the units has the same official square footage than 1136, as well as… PARKING.
Not the same product, I know. But someone looking to live in the area could take over one unit and collect the market rents from 2 units to pay for the mortgage.
Bubble-icious history for 1017 De Haro:
6-Apr-11 Price Changed $899,000
3-Mar-11 Price Changed $1,098,000
17-Feb-11 Listed (Active) $1,225,000
16-Oct-07 Sold (Public Records) $1,300,000
18-Jul-06 Sold (Public Records) $1,175,000
16-Jul-91 Sold (Public Records) $444,000
Strike that. It’s a 4-unit. Even crazier than I thought.
You’re arguing from a pure investment standpoint. Most buyers will find those two properties to be apples and oranges, lol. But @ 899K I like that one too.
It should be mentioned that 1017 De Haro has a lot of deferred maintenance — and a WaMu mortgage circa 2007 (that will end well). Also looks like the previous owners carried back a second. Ahh… bubble days… I imagine that the unwarranted attic in-law (aka fourth unit) would have to be ‘addressed’ when the deferred maintenance is taken care of.
I don’t understand the downstairs semi-enclosed space either. Noearch is right…not desirable in this climate. I’m assuming this must be a permit issue? Developer wanted to do enclosed space and couldn’t get permission? but wink wink nudge nudge slap in a slider and you’ve got a guest room?
I just don’t know…I want to go take a look.
“And only 1/2 block from there, for a mere 100K more, you can buy a 3-unit building at 1017 De Haro where EACH of the units has the same official square footage than 1136, as well as… PARKING.”
Redfin indicates 1017 De Haro is a short sale. Meaning it’s anyone’s guess what it actually sells for. Plus, it has a lot of deferred maintenance. Not really an apple but it’s an attractive price point assuming no major repair is needed.
I don’t understand the comments about the open space under the deck. Why would it be difficult to get a permit to add a roll-up door? Or, is it some kind of tax cheating issue to not call this indoor space? Can someone explain?
I’m also not sure that I understand the “European” reference. Is this due to all the built-ins and lack of other closet space? The modern design of components? Something else?
Seems like a nice enough place. Perhaps would need to be compared to large two bedroom condos without parking.
I live a block and a half away, but am not so familiar with that block. I saw the project comment; is that a problem on this street?
@john: no, it’s not a tax cheating issue, more of a Planning Code issue. I’m just making some assumptions here:
Deck is built out to rear yard setback dimensions. Space under the deck cannot be “habitable” in terms of the extension into the rear yard, so it remains an open space ( not a defined room). Mostly likely the owner is going to install a roll-up glass door or even windows and a door to that wall and turn the space into a room (without getting a permit). You can see the deck was designed that way since it is built on a waterproof membrane system not allowing it to drip to the space below.
If by “Euro” you mean that all of the furniture is from Ikea, then yes, it is Euro. And I would know, because all of my furniture is from Ikea too. 😉
not too sure why it’s automatically tasteful to be European:
“Euro-style as SS points out, so quite tasteful”
That space downstairs would make a nice garage :-).
I kind of like the idea of an indoor/outdoor room with a big roll up door. Although it’s on the wrong side of the street to be sheltered from the wind by the house, it may be warm enough often enough to make good use since it’s in Potrero. We get warm days here.
Here’s a more direct comparison; almost the same house one block away:
http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Francisco/1056-Carolina-St-94107/home/1735038
I don’t see any problem getting that space permitted. It’s not as deep as either neighbor and that trumps rear yard setback. You can build back to the average of your neighbors depth.
Place shows how far Ikea has come in design. I’ve always been a huge fan. As for the property, big thumbs up!
@ sparky-b: You prob shouldn’t give out planning code advice without knowing all the parameters.
They “most likely” can permit that space under the deck,but there may be some issues. That’s all I’m saying.
And it’s not true that you can just “build out to the depth of your neighbor”..without restrictions as to height of addition and other factors. The code is complex.
You’re serving no purpose by trying to simplify the language and pretending it’s all easy.
Read the damn code once in a while.
haha Noearch. So you are telling me to “Read the damn code once in a while” and at the same time “most likely” agreeing with me.
The only thing you have to say in your bitchy retort is about the height of an addition. I said you could get that space permitted, not some imaginary larger 4 story addition.
You must have had a bad week or sommething. This particular part of the code is pretty simple, 134.c.4 nice drawings of what they are talking about and everything. But you know that, and please I don’t need to have a tutorial on the 30/10/10 reduction or section 136 permitted obstructions.
The code isn’t that complex, and I’ll give my opinion on feasibility whenever I feel like it, thank you very much.
omg! are you ok?
I was being gentle when I said “most likely”.
I think the code is complex and wish it were simpler.
And then you just said “feasibility” which is essentially the same thing I said: “most likely”. You know as well as I do that the building and planning codes have plenty of obscure rules in them.
Even when one may follow the letter of the law with the code, the code people can be “discretionary” in granting a permit or not.
oh c’mon. I said feasibility to mean not just this house but in the future on my take on anything, so not it’s not the same as most likely here at this house. Plus you I was responding becuase you inserted a “read the damn code once in a while” and “you’re serving no purpose…”, and are coming back saying “I was being gentle” and “omg!are you okay”.
Look you’re coming back at me only becuase you realize that I’m right and your original statement was off base. If the homeowner here came to you with that photo and asked to legalize that space for them are you saying you couldn’t? Would you give them the same response you gave me?
not to break up the argument, but I figured the reason they didn’t try to enclose the space downstairs is because they didn’t want to have to go through section 311 notification. I think you can build the deck without notifiying every a**hole on the block, but if you try to fill in the space under it you do.
leeinsf,
They actually did a 311 for that deck. It has a fire rated solid wall on that neighbor side and new stairs.
Fire-rated? That sounds a bit precious.
1-hr fire rated (an hour for the fire to burn through the wall)
I like it, but would not have staged it with Ikea stuff but would have made it look more cozy. Its a cozy little house, not someone’s idea of chic. They did a great job with the back deck and garden and I really like that open under-the-deck space. I can see sitting there watching it rain outside … although would a driving rain be a problem. BUT Grrrrrhhh get rid of that *@#$ music Pinel.
Just too damn cute. A lot of look in 900 square feet. The lower space will be useful regardless of it’s permit-ability…
The extensive IKEA storage is a bit incongruous but it’s a small space and what else are you going to do, you have to live in your house. Like it or not, $800k is where we’re at for a nice enough starter home in a good neighborhood. And with no garage, the permit parking is probably quite a benefit.
They did a nice job with this house but there are a couple of issues for me. The freeway noise, while not overwhelming, could be a turn-off for some people and the rear deck, although very attractive is not sheltered from the wind.
The property is 2 1/2 blocks from the freeway, and there’s a huge retaining wall in the way as well.
Yes, that may be true but the noise or white noise of the freeway was very apparent to me yesterday, on a Sunday afternoon. My comment was that it may bother some people and it did bother me.
Fair enough but I feel as if that’s by and large a given in Potrero Hill. Even the top inventory … everywhere is pretty much at most 3 blocks from one freeway or another. The 2.44M sale on 19th last fall was quite noisy on the patio, IMO.
i live in po-hill… on the north (aka ‘good’) side, so i know the area well. $800K to live in the semi-ghetto/hood south side? no thanks. its hilarious that 99% of the ‘neighborhood pics’ they show on that site are all from the north side, and not exactly ‘close’ to the house by any means, and a hilly-as-hell 15 min. hike if you ever thought of venturing that way.
my buddy lived at 22nd and kansas, which is basically around the corner from here – in the short time he lived there, there were at least 2 shootings down the block on 23rd and kansas at the corner dive market, a high-speed chase down his street that ended with a huge crash in front of his place, and he had his car broken into more than once. add to that the constant noise of 101 that is like 100 ft away, along with the comings and goings of SF General, and i’ll pass even at half the price. seriously.
100 feet away from 22nd and Kansas? Sure. Kansas sits right above the freeway, there. But 100 feet away from 22nd and Deharo? no, more like 350 feet away.
oops, my bad. that extra 150 ft should make a WORLD of difference…
Regarding the ‘marooned’ underdeck space, I think the most plausible explanation comes from the listting: Full Floor Basement Sep Entrance and Infrastructure for Future Expanison Potential. I don’t know code all that well, but I’m guessing it wouldn’t make sense (would it even be legal?) to finish underneath the deck without making the basement habitable first. I don’t believe that there is an interior stairway connecting the two levels.
As an aside, I think noearch and sparky-b (or sf builder) should team up for a reality show based on a joint project.
Well, it’s two blocks up a very steep hill.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=22nd+St&daddr=1136+De+Haro+Street,+San+Francisco,+CA&geocode=FY4gQAIdEEi0-A%3BFRsaQAIdCk-0-Cl_zLLOtH-PgDHQvTC6DFeGWQ&hl=en&mra=me&mrsp=0&sz=17&dirflg=w&sll=37.755431,-122.40101&sspn=0.007134,0.010718&ie=UTF8&z=17
I don’t know De Haro as well, but on Rhode Island, I find that the homes on the West side of the street have noisy back yards that are not pleasant. On the East side, they are fine. Probably because the house blocks the noise.
The sound walls don’t help too much because of the steep hill.
For most people the noise is acceptable. Closer to the freeway, there is also some dirt that appears to come from the highway.
Still, this is a fairly nice section of the hill; maybe not as ritzy as the North Side, but not bad. It’s very close to the top of the hill.
This map might help answer some of the noise questions though I believe that this information was extracted from a traffic model rather than from actual acoustic measurements.
I wouldn’t team up with sfbuilder or builder in sf, whoever the hell he is, for my life. Not a chance.
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With sparky-b..yes. while we don’t always agree, quite often we do, and he generally knows what he’s talking about.
Read back some of the comments regarding the under deck area and its’ various code related complications. I’m not gonna repeat myself, but the code can be complex.
Checked this out at the open house… really cute place.
Moved here from the North East where things are waaay cheaper. Loved that a renovation of the downstairs meant rent potential or home office conversion.
The inside wasn’t huge, but the open floor plan was forgiving. Could definitely tell a lot of work was done, but seems like it was done well. Major points for the beautiful deck.
Not really in the “ghetto” part of Potrero like a lot of people are suggesting. I loved being out of the danger-zone but close to 24th st and transportation (it is a city, after all). There was some freeway noise, but nothing out of the ordinary and still much more quiet than places further in the city.
It is no wonder this house has been chosen as featured listing. It is exquisite on every level. As a fellow Victorian owner who ponders selling for a new home purchase, I really appreciate the elaborate work that was done to upgrade this stellar home. I really appreciate the work the owners put into this home. This home is a showcase – where vintage meets modern luxury.
The owners must have tapped upon the talents of an extraordinary designer- all of the lines create simplicity and elegance, very reminiscent to homes featured in current magazines. It looks like they approached the work with gold star quality (from the products used to the design). I think this is a fantastic price. For those questioning the downstairs level, from what I can tell it looks like an amazing bonus. I bought a home once with an unpermitted room and it was not a big deal. When I went to sell the home, I just had to disclose this during the sale. From what I can tell, it looks like there is just a little drywall and a finished wall to complete the project. With a permit to finish this “wa-la” the new owners will get approximately twice the amount of square footage for the price. How can you beat that?
And if you wonder about the price, look at this recent sale in the area
http://www.trulia.com/homes/California/San_Francisco/sold/7109441-1378-Rhode-Island-St-San-Francisco-CA-94107
This house listed in the link above is $140,000 more and has equivalent permitted square feet. The home listing at 1136 is SOOOOO much more house for $140,000 less. I know it doesn’t have a garage but my sister used to live on DeHaro and I never remember her having parking issues. So, if I were ready to purchase a home right now, this would be something I would seriously consider.
Brrrrrr…Its getting shilly in here.
This house is lovely- inside and out. Thoroughly modern and sophisticated. I know for a fact that the owners poured a great deal of time, love and money into it and it shows. I think this house could be really perfect for a young couple working at Zynga, just starting out.
Exactly, MOD.
good grief.the florid description by sancarlosaudrey is beyond the pale. what a bunch of bs.
wonder if all 3 of them are the same shills.
We found this house to have a wonderful chic charm. We enjoyed the lay-out with access to each bedroom and dining room through the hallway. Perfect for two people or a starting family. The downstairs has both an inside and outside area which could be used for entertaining or just a nice place to relax, look at the view or watch your child as they play on the grass. There is also the option of turning downstairs to a living area for yourself or rental which has separate access to outside. We have been looking in this neighborhood for a while now and know a lot about it. We know the parking situation is a non-issue. There is always parking available which if you are not able to spend that “extra” 100K this is where you save. We are highly considering this house and are excited at its potential!
noearch – In order to make an accurate reading my patented linguogrammatik text analyzer and soft serve yogurt machine needs more samples. My gut feeling is that these are different real people posting (especially this last post from the Krassner’s) who’ve been prompted by the owner or agent to “Hey, click this SocketSite link and say something nice about my property.”
Man, the shills are out in full force today.
If these folks are considering purchasing the house, why are they posting in such a way as to encourage more buyer competition?
Yeah, sounds like someone owed someone a favor.
In a nutshell this house is lovely inside and out. And the sunset views are incredible ( I live in this area so I know). To echo what others are saying: lots of work went into this place to make it as beautiful as it is. And the results is that it feels like a boutique hotel and very intimate! Perfect for a couple. As far as the downstairs is concerned this area could so easily be connected to the top floor, or someone could build it out and create a studio apt. Many options here for a visionary.
noearch – In order to make an accurate reading my patented linguogrammatik text analyzer and soft serve yogurt machine needs more samples. My gut feeling is that these are different
real peopleneighboring homeowners and a realtor or two (“visionary”: hah!) trying to pump up property values posting who’ve been prompted by the owner or agent to “Hey, click this SocketSite link and say something nice about my property.”The funniest shill sentence of the three comments above is this one:
“I think this house could be really perfect for a young couple working at Zynga, just starting out.”
It’s like when those realtors at open houses say “we’re looking for rich young techies.”
Okay, so there are 2 more shills since then — should have reloaded. Some of the comments are coordinated (e.g. parking because there is no garage, looking for a couple). The boutique hotel comment is silly.
Oh boy. My buzz word alarm just went off.
– Boutique Hotel
– Visionary
– Chic charm
– Vintage meets modern luxury
– homes featured in current magazines
Soon it will look like the RE section of the Chron.
This house has obviously been redone throughout with the highest quality equipment and examples are the new deck and the washer and dryer. I went into this house some years ago and the restoration is amazing. It’s also good that they have had the plans done for the lower level and have the necessary permits. Way ahead of some of the rubbish that I have seen!
The washer and dryer? Really? Somehow the easiest thing in the house to replace (and one of the cheapest) is an example of how great the remodel is. A comment like that actually makes the house look like cheap crap from during the boom when all you had to do was use pergraniteel in a crappy remodel. Who wants to live in a boutique hotel anyway, other than the Dwell people?
At this point, they’re just trying to make it look positive when someone does a Google search.
Btw, I was looking at the pictures again, and #18 shows the “restoration” isn’t completely flawless.
These neighbor/friend/shill comments are bizarre. Having toured the house this past Sunday, the only thing impressive is the photography and website which make everything look way bigger than in person. It’s a sweet house but the “testimonials” presented here are a little over the top compared to the actual product being sold here.
On the issue of freeway noise…It can be really difficult to judge from looking at a map. You can be 5-6 blocks away and it can still be really noisy. Other times if you’re a block away the noise can be minimal. It really depends on elevation, other buildings, trees etc.
It’s also good that they have had the plans done for the lower level and have the necessary permits.
Ignore the many critics on this site; they obviously do not like the designer touches and the attention to detail that will be picked up by discerning buyers. The plans present a very exciting opportunity for instant equity. I am having trouble viewing the permit details at the DBI website. Please share the permit number with us so that this opportunity may be viewed in the best possible light.
EBGuy, the only recent permit I saw was 201002056025:
Demolish existing rear deck and stair and construct new deck and firewall and new stair. Add beam @ kitchen.
Cost: $30,000.00
Loved the light and open feel to the place. I’m thinking the downstairs could be converted to a separate living space, and it’d be easy to have a friend pay some rent and cover the mortgage…..
$$$$$ Nice when your house can actually generate some income
“$$$$$ Nice when your house can actually generate some income.”
Then buy a duplex that’s already constructed as and permitted for a second unit, not this place. There’s a lot of effort going on for this tiny place on Potrero Shill.
“There’s a lot of effort going on for this tiny place on Potrero Shill.”
Yes- you’re so right. The place is attracting a lot of positive energy.
As to your comment “#18 shows the “restoration” isn’t completely flawless” did you know ….. you’re looking at the neighbor’s window smart one?
First, for all who put nasty comments, you guys are just jealous people who can’t afford it. Yeah it looks like a boutique hotel. So what? That the exact reason why boutique hotels are so successful. Maybe the nasty commentators prefer staying @ the YMCA. Especially sfrenegade. I wonder how your place looks like. I wonder if you are one of those who like to collect cheeseburger wrappers.
Back to the boutique hotel, the future owners will be able to say “I own a hotel”. ha ha.
Seriously, this place looks amazing! Love it! True it’s small, but a little piece of heaven is better than a large dump. What I see is a house in a completely move in condition, with very tasteful touches all over, well thought in and out.
I like the white color scheme. It makes everything pop.
No garage? No problem. Most people use theirs for anything but parking their car. That’s sf for you. The basement could be finished for extra space, office, kids play room or rental. Here is a chance to put in your own touch.
Since someone mentioned Dwell, maybe the seller works there. At least it would be great for some type of magazine photography. I’m going to use some of the sellers tasteful ideas for my own place.
“Brrrrrr…Its getting shilly in here.”
“Potrero Shill”
Some funny stuff in here!
Wow, the editor should cross-check IP addresses on these idiots. They’re out of control.
Here’s the thing: when you see all these shills, the house isn’t getting the offers they want. If it was, they wouldn’t bother sending all these people over here to talk up the house.
LOWBALL TIME!!!
Why the H8?
It hasn’t even had a second open house, Tipster. So that was real forced. As usual.
In fact the SS House has a much better feel when you don’t show up with up with stale forced air from your hatefurnace.
Oh, c’mon, it’s a tiny little place that’s close to the freeway and close to some nasty projects, and the patent shilling (with multiple aliases from the same people) deserves to be roundly mocked.
“all of the lines create simplicity and elegance, very reminiscent to homes featured in current magazines.”
“The downstairs has both an inside and outside area which could be used for entertaining or just a nice place to relax, look at the view or watch your child as they play on the grass.”
“And the results is that it feels like a boutique hotel and very intimate!”
“I like the white color scheme. It makes everything pop. No garage? No problem. Most people use theirs for anything but parking their car. That’s sf for you.”
Puh-leeze. Disingenuous crap like this logically lends one to believe the seller (or his agent) is desperate.
My guess is they figured they’d sprinkle a bit of “love” in the constructive destruction happening on SS. Why they wouldn’t expect a bit of scorn in return is beyond my comprehension. It’s not 1996: people are a bit more web-savvy on average and good old fashioned shilling just reflects negatively on the property.
“As to your comment “#18 shows the “restoration” isn’t completely flawless” did you know ….. you’re looking at the neighbor’s window smart one?”
To be honest, I can’t remember what I was trying to point out there. I might have even named the wrong picture. However, one thing about the neighbor’s window that is a problem is that you have a neighbor who doesn’t maintain his/her property at your lot line.
The reason for restoration being in quotes is that basically this is a cosmetic remodel besides the deck. People have pointed out several of the flaws above, including size, layout, and lack of parking. The real work wasn’t done because they either ran out of money or motivation. Smaller houses tend to have higher price per square foot, but this is a pretty high price per square foot even considering that.
The comparison to 1378 Rhode Island is also flawed. That’s a 3/2 with a garage and likely has a lower price per square foot:
http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Francisco/1378-Rhode-Island-St-94107/home/1281883
This is a beautiful little house which has evidently been done up very nicely. The interiors are light and modern, and this property is a material saying of “good things come in small packages”. There is more than enough room for a small family. With a great neighbourhood and a lovely garden too, this is a great find for San Fran!
I love houses that are “done up”
And here, I thought only ladies of a certain age got their hair “done up”.
Who knew?
Don’t discourage the shill-dren; their oh-so-practiced comments are entertaining to read. What they fail to realize (they obviously are SS newbies here only to promote a listing), is that, until they arrived, this house was on-the-whole getting a somewhat-better-than average reception here.
Please do continue…
The sale of 1136 De Haro closed escrow today with a reported contract price of $840,000 (5 percent over asking).