October 26, 2009
One Hawthorne: A Couple Of Renderings To Accompany Our Reality
Not a lot of new details yet, but at least one nice rendering of the 4,000 square foot rooftop terrace that will be. And perhaps a glimpse of what’s in the works for the kitchens.
First Published: October 26, 2009 8:00 AM
Comments from "Plugged In" Readers
Looks good. I'd swap that Francis Francis for something a little more industrial though.
Posted by: alex at October 26, 2009 9:42 AM
If the rendering is any indication, the interior is a good match for the exterior. Will be interested to see the price/sqft, amenities and HOA fees.
Posted by: SF Monty Rez at October 26, 2009 10:13 AM
Yay a microwave that vents out!
Posted by: JB at October 26, 2009 10:27 AM
Too much white in the kitchen.
I know the room is small and white/light colors hide that but it makes the room look sterile and not inviting.
Light oak cabinets and a splash of color on the countertop would make a big difference IMO.
Posted by: Gil at October 26, 2009 10:34 AM
Agree with Gil in terms of the abundance of "sterile" white in the kitchens - it's a bit much, unless you plan to use the condo as a dental office.
Posted by: huh? at October 26, 2009 10:39 AM
I like this look. The cool white and stainless steel are balanced with the warm wood floor. It's updated and classic. This clean line look will adapt to any decorating style or color scheme for a long time unlike some of the condos I've seen that were built in 2004. Some of them look decades old already.
Posted by: RSVP at October 26, 2009 10:43 AM
Isn't that a stock photo of a kitchen from the Palms promo materials from '06?
Posted by: deshard at October 26, 2009 10:51 AM
cabinets that don't go all the way to ceiling = fun dust on your white cabinets, along with nice Ikea look
Posted by: sfrenegade at October 26, 2009 11:08 AM
When you register for more info on their placeholder site they send you an email that notes:
"Amenities include a rooftop terrace, state-of-the-art fitness center, attended lobby and 24 hour valet."
Bummer on the valet parking, not a fan of that. But I do like they'll have a fitness center, a little more than Blu offers.
Posted by: SF Monty Rez at October 26, 2009 11:13 AM
i hope the posters who are cheering for the amenities are not the same ones who comment that HOA fees are outrageous.
Posted by: condoshopper at October 26, 2009 11:47 AM
I'd trade my traditional kitchen for the one pictured -- I think I could clean everything in about 10 minutes with a few paper towels and a bottle of Windex.
Posted by: anon at October 26, 2009 11:52 AM
Don't know what their HOA fees will be but in general I think people make too big a deal of HOA fees. If you add up the cost for water, garbage, gas (covered in my bldg), insurance, security (for places that have 24/7 attendant, etc), common area maintenance, etc. compared to those same costs for a sfr, the cost-difference is usually (not but not always) nominal. Plus a lot of homes (I have one in Sac) in new developments have their own HOA fees that cover none of that.
Posted by: SF Monty Rez at October 26, 2009 3:17 PM
Good location, walk to Metreon, 2nd St, Union St and Financial District.
Posted by: Paul Hwang at October 26, 2009 4:56 PM
Union St is a bit far (and dead these days), unless you're referring to the east end.
Posted by: joh at October 26, 2009 9:15 PM
Anyone who walks to Union St from here is, um, ambitious.
Posted by: Scooter at October 26, 2009 9:16 PM
Pretty sure he meant the "t" to be a "q". This is close to Union Square, not so much Union St.
Posted by: anon at October 26, 2009 9:50 PM
I like the trees on Hawthorne St.
Does anyone know how often is Hawthorne used as a detour? That might be a problem. or not.
Posted by: RSVP at October 27, 2009 8:21 AM
"If you add up the cost for water, garbage, gas (covered in my bldg), insurance, security (for places that have 24/7 attendant, etc), common area maintenance, etc. compared to those same costs for a sfr, the cost-difference is usually (not but not always) nominal."
It depends, SF Monty Rez. There are some that include water/garbage/gas, and others that don't. Some of the buildings people complain about don't have door men. In any case, you should always look at the HOA disclosures to figure out what's being assessed and for what it's being assessed.
If your point is mostly that people tend to underestimate how much insurance and maintenance costs are when they buy a SFR, that's a valid point. It might be that HOAs provide more visibility for those costs than most people in SFRs have. It's very easy for people to look at $700/mo in HOA and determine that that's like paying an additional $125K for the condo (assuming 30 year fixed at 5.5%), but a lot harder for people to determine on an ongoing basis what the equivalent maintenance costs are for an SFR (and note that we get varying estimates on this site as to maintenance costs).
Posted by: corntrollio at October 27, 2009 1:26 PM