April 21, 2011

A Plugged-In Sneak Peek Inside "Everson Grove" (2 Everson)

2 Everson at Night

The property hasn’t yet been listed, and interior shots have yet to be uploaded to its website, but we’ve got a couple of sneak peaks inside 2 Everson, the latest project from NOVA Designs+Builds.

2 Everson Entrance

Purchased for $1,350,000 this past July as a "contractors special short sale of a concept house shell under reconstruction," the roughly 5,000 square foot finished home dubbed "Everson Grove" is about to hit the market listed for $3,800,000.

2 Everson Living

That's the interior living room above, the covered outdoor living room/deck below.

2 Everson Terrace

UPDATE: Interior photos, including the kitchen, are now available online.

2 Everson Kitchen

UPDATE (4/22): Now officially listed as well.

∙ Listing: 2 Everson (4/5) - $3,800,000 [2everson.com] [Floor Plans] [MLS]

First Published: April 21, 2011 1:30 PM

Comments from "Plugged In" Readers

I've been by this house a few times in the last year. Haven't been inside (though I could see in when it was just a shell) but I'm sure it's amazing. 3.8 million's a lot of dough for the neighborhood, but I wish them the best of luck.

Posted by: dch at April 21, 2011 1:42 PM

Went to preview party last night ... stunning home, top-tier construction. NOVA knows what they're doing.

Posted by: TheBasisPoint at April 21, 2011 2:19 PM

wow.
I heart this place!

Posted by: ex SF-er at April 21, 2011 3:28 PM

Looks fantastic! Looking forward to an open house. I always question covered outdoor spaces in SF...the temps almost never make sitting in the shade very comfy....but I can totally see cranking up that fireplace (yeah, not very green!) and sitting with a bottle of beer enjoying that view...

Posted by: curmudgeon at April 21, 2011 3:35 PM

The fireplace would be warmer (and greener) if it could burn wood. What would be really slick is if some sort of transparent wall (glass? vinyl ?) could seal this off during the cold months. That would also keep out the critters that want to nest in your furniture.

Yeah, this looks like a nice pad especially for a family.

Posted by: The Milkshake of Despair at April 21, 2011 3:52 PM

* wipes drool from mouth *

Posted by: Kurt Brown at April 21, 2011 4:36 PM

"The fireplace would be warmer (and greener) if it could burn wood."

How is a wood-burning fireplace greener? If anything, you're not allowed to run wood-burning fireplaces on winter Spare the Air Days unless it's your only source of heat. In some cities, new construction is prohibited from having wood-burning fireplaces.

Posted by: sfrenegade at April 21, 2011 5:04 PM

UPDATE: Interior photos have just been uploaded to the property website.

Posted by: SocketSite at April 21, 2011 6:08 PM

Wanted to like it more than I do. Wish the interior matched the mid-century vibe of the exterior which I really like, inside looks too contemporary for me.

Posted by: Michael at April 21, 2011 6:42 PM

What is a "concept house shell"? Was this never a real house, but just the outside shell of a house put up as part of some design concept?

What does the outdoor fireplace burn? Are wood pellets allowed if a wood stove is installed instead of a fireplace?

Posted by: John at April 21, 2011 7:40 PM

Not so pretty from the backside.

Posted by: John at April 21, 2011 7:41 PM

I think it's incredible looking from the back. It's visible from everywhere in Noe, sat like a sentinel up there. Nice marketing. Nice photography. Smart branding. Incredible build. They will get this figure or close. But let's face it, prescient buy. Best of luck!

Posted by: [anon.ed] at April 21, 2011 7:59 PM

What, no comments on how THE PROJECTS ARE RIGHT THERE and murder will be a constant risk?

Posted by: EH at April 21, 2011 8:09 PM

NO, it's not visible from everywhere in Noe. It's largely shielded (and shaded) by the large forest of trees at the end of the dead end street.

Pretty isolated area, no stores or shops very close by. Pretty windy up there as well.

I believe there are also some low income public housing projects near by. That could be issue.

Posted by: noearch at April 21, 2011 8:39 PM

sfrenegade - the spare the air day regulations are local health oriented and triggered by stagnant weather patterns. They keep pollution from accumulating to protect people with respiratory problems and prevent more problems from developing. So long as you don't burn on those days the impact is minimized.

The reason wood is greener than natural gas has to do with sustainability and greenhouse gases. Wood obviously is renewable and many people are burning "waste" wood anyways. Natural gas is a finite fossil fuel. Natural gas also increases carbon in the atmosphere. Wood is carbon neutral. It releases carbon that was recently extracted from the air so net effect is nil. Even if you don't burn wood, the carbon gets back into the atmosphere anyways via the rotting process. Though decay happens at a slower pace compared to a fire, this difference is insignificant on geological time scale.

John - I'm pretty sure that the fireplace burns natural gas because that's easy to install and most people prefer a gas fireplace these days. I've never seen a pellet stove that wasn't owner-installed yet.

Posted by: The Milkshake of Despair at April 21, 2011 8:44 PM

"it's largely shielded (and shaded) by the large forest of trees at the end of the dead end stree"

The trees are sat due north and downslope, architect.

Posted by: [anon.ed] at April 21, 2011 8:52 PM

what, no comments about how one would freeze waiting for that bathroom to warm up when showering?

Posted by: DanRH at April 21, 2011 8:58 PM

Clear plastic dining room chairs are the new chopped pillows.

Posted by: Kurt Brown at April 21, 2011 10:55 PM

@DanRH, no comments on that because with 99.9999% probability, there's radiant heat under all the bathroom tile which is on a timer set to preheat before all your regularly scheduled shower events.

Posted by: Kurt Brown at April 21, 2011 11:01 PM

Hey, the kitchen color is remarkably close to the current exterior color of 2523 Steiner!

;)

Posted by: Kurt Brown at April 21, 2011 11:09 PM

@noearch - You "believe there are also some low income public housing projects near by"...? Given that your house is within the boundaries of the map shown on the NOVA website for this property I'd think you'd have a better sense of the surrounding area....?

You are right, though - it's windy and lonely up there.

Posted by: PN at April 22, 2011 12:57 AM

Can't believe nobody has said nothing about the fog that exists around there. It's not like this is clarendon heights, where it's at least *hopefully* in the lee of the wind, and thus gets sun on your average day. This house, on the other hand is located near glen park...a notoriously foggy area. Sick crib though...wish you could move it to 21st noe or clarendon area.

Posted by: Evan at April 22, 2011 6:09 AM

Are those glass doors the front entrance? How does one lock them?

Posted by: Holly at April 22, 2011 6:43 AM

the house was built upon poles, I think in the sixties, and occupied by an industrialist for a long time. don't know how many hands it has gone through, but some years ago considerable work was done reinforcing the foundation and gutting the house. so then it sat half completed for several years and became the concept shell or whatever the term was . . .
it is a bit of a banana belt on the north side of that hill

Posted by: bernalkid at April 22, 2011 7:30 AM

re: the cold bathroom, if it does have radiant heat, what happens when the radiant heat needs maintenance or repair? Do you have to tear out the floor to get to it?

Posted by: belldawg at April 22, 2011 8:23 AM

House was built in 1971 per building record.

Posted by: Zefabes at April 22, 2011 9:05 AM

Evan, I disagree about Glen Park being notoriously foggy. I have lived lived in places there as well as a several other parts of the city during my days, and it's almost as sunny as Noe without the howling afternoon winds. Everson on the other hand is too close to public housing for my taste, and the weather does deteriorate the closer you get to Diamond Heights.

Posted by: Anon at April 22, 2011 9:32 AM

Very cool interior. In seeing the pics for the covered outdoor area, I wonder about the glass panels below the railing level. Great that it provides a partial windbreak, but won't this inevitably be a maintenance headache to keep them clean and transparent?

That area of the house seems more aspirational than useful to me, but I still really love the house. The area, not so much. For me it's just too isolated. But I think someone will really love it.

Posted by: curmudgeon at April 22, 2011 9:37 AM

What "projects" is everyone talking about? I know about the subsidized housing (read: subsidized, not projects) over by Safeway in Diamond Heights (a schlep and a half from this place). But, what else is up there? This map shows nothing near it:

http://www.benefitingbvhp.org/media/SF_Public_Housing_3_11_2008.pdf

Just curious - not barking. But, heck, from what I can find, you're closer to "projects" living in Pac Heights than you are here.

Posted by: SFJimmy at April 22, 2011 10:30 AM

You could not be more wrong about wood-burning fireplaces being environmentally friendly. In fact, wood smoke is a severe health hazard
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1354387/Wood-burning-stoves-cause-cancer-heart-disease.html

Posted by: CuriousGeo at April 22, 2011 10:51 AM

@Kurt Brown, yeah, true true. I was posting that more tongue/cheek.
Great place.

Posted by: DanRH at April 22, 2011 10:56 AM

What's the complex on Addison (the green buildings on the downhill side of the street)? I always thought it was some sort of public/subsidized housing.

Posted by: tear drop tattoo at April 22, 2011 11:23 AM

Me likey, although the location is a little south for my tastes. But I supposed if I had this kind of scratch I could afford to be squired around town.

Posted by: Fishchum at April 22, 2011 11:31 AM

I have been watching this project go up for months - walk my dog in that "grove". No subsidized housing to be found anywhere - the setting at the end of the cull-de-sac is actually breathtaking. If you want privacy and peace, this is where you find it.

It looks like a great place to entertain and if you have more than 10 people coming this particular location makes guest parking a non-issue.

Posted by: jahoda at April 22, 2011 11:48 AM

There's lots of Section 8 housing on Addison, and some on Bemis and Moffitt. There's also at least one small (

This house is at the end of Everson's cul-de-sac, several twisty blocks away from Addison and Moffitt. There is a staircase down to Bemis right next to the house, but I can't anticipate that being a problem.

The house is a 15-20 minute hike from both Glen Park Village and Diamond Heights, and maybe a 5-10 minute walk from the 35 bus. Whoever buys this house will probably be driving, not walking, and wouldn't be particularly vulnerable to mugging anyway.

Posted by: GP at April 22, 2011 11:55 AM

@gp:
Well, that certainly is nice to hear that the new buyers "wouldn't be particularly vulnerable to mugging.."

Long as they don't walk.

Hmmm.

Posted by: noearch at April 22, 2011 12:08 PM

Jeeez... I just said WALK my dog there all the time. Clearly, this location is not for everyone but safety is such a non-issue. You are more likely to get mugged in Pac Heights/Cow Hollow than here.

Posted by: jahoda at April 22, 2011 12:27 PM

CuriousGeo - you're confusing personal health with the health of the environment. Usually the two are aligned but this is one of the cases where they diverge.

That article you linked is the reason why the BAAMQD has put the Spare the Air prohibitions in place. So long as you honor the those regulations the impact is minimized. Also note that your article states that health risk of wood fire smoke is comparable to automobile exhaust. Which do you think is created in higher volumes? And with that information you'd think that driving would also be prohibited on Spare the Air days. Good luck with that.

So if you're concerned about the severe health hazard created by microparticulates you might want to target the largest source.

Posted by: The Milkshake of Despair at April 22, 2011 2:57 PM

On the Fireplace debate, it might be worth pointing out that DBI will not allow any wood burning fireplace unless they meet EPA regulations, which very few fireplaces meet (really, only a few wood burning stoves meet those criteria).

Posted by: Zefabes at April 22, 2011 3:05 PM

"The house is a 15-20 minute hike from both Glen Park Village and Diamond Heights, and maybe a 5-10 minute walk from the 35 bus."

Google says 7 mins (1/2 mile) to Glen Park Village, and it's a flight of stairs from the 35.

Posted by: R at April 22, 2011 3:07 PM

"Also note that your article states that health risk of wood fire smoke is comparable to automobile exhaust."

I don't usually drive a car inside my house...

No fireplace is the greenest option, obviously. I'm not sure how cutting down trees and burning them gets second place, especially when gas fireplaces can burn so clean that they don't require a chimney. Building a new gas fireplace has to be far greener than building a new chimney, for that matter.

Just because something is renewable doesn't make it the greener or better option. Trees have a function besides burning for energy, whereas natural gas has virtually no function other than burning for energy. Furthermore, wood is only carbon neutral with respect to you if you grow the tree yourself and then burn it.

Anyway, my point was not to steer people one way or the other based on this factor alone, but that trying to determine which of two things is greener (or just better) isn't always so simple.

Posted by: sfrenegade at April 22, 2011 3:18 PM

"No fireplace is the greenest option, obviously."

I agree. Just considering the options available for someone predisposed to have a fireplace.

And the BAAMQD spare the air regulation is focused on smoke emitted outside of the house. If your fireplace is allowing smoke in the house then you've got a problem with the fireplace that should be fixed before the next fire. Mine is open air and the only time smoke ever gets into the house is when I space out and light the fire before opening the flue. Du-oh! Even better are fireplaces or stoves that have glass doors to seal the firebox off.

Also know that natural gas generates particulates as well.

"Trees have a function besides burning for energy,..."

Not the trees that supply my wood. My prior comment that people are mostly burning waste wood means that very few trees are being felled for firewood. I burn 100% wood scavenged from the urban forest - trees cut down by arborists for reasons other than firewood - plus a little construction derbris. A buddy of mine gets his wood from an annual trip to the Sierras : a cheap permit from the USFS and a chain saw gets you a pickup load of firewood. The permit is for downed logs only, you cannot cut down a live tree.

"Furthermore, wood is only carbon neutral with respect to you if you grow the tree yourself and then burn it."

... or if you're burning waste wood which would have decayed anyways.

(apologies for triggering a way off topic thread)

Posted by: The Milkshake of Despair at April 22, 2011 3:36 PM

Some web references for wood burning in Bay Area and beyond:

http://www.baaqmd.gov/Divisions/Communications-and-Outreach/Air-Quality-in-the-Bay-Area/Wood-Burning.aspx

http://www.epa.gov/burnwise/woodstoves.html

I too notice that there are not many wood stoves seen. Out of environmental concerns? I still can't enjoy a gas fireplace and would rather have nothing in it's place.

I recall that Donald MacDonald used to include wood stoves in the town houses that he designed; seemed nice.

Okell's seems to offer a bunch:

http://www.okellsfireplace.com/stoves.htm

Posted by: John at April 22, 2011 5:30 PM

Gas fireplaces are super clean. I have one in my house; it's from Okell's and pretty nice. Lots of flames, warmth, glow.

Essentially the same feeling in the room as a wood one, and very clean for the environment.

Makes sense to me.

Posted by: noearch at April 22, 2011 5:49 PM

I guess, "to each their own" applies here. I rented a house once with a gas fireplace. I think we tried it once over the course of three years. Of course, that was in the South Bay, where it's rarely cold anyway.

It seemed to me akin to watching the flame on my stove-top or in my water heater. I'd rather turn on a radiator. Perhaps I would have liked it more without the fake logs; I'm not much for that sort of simulation.

Posted by: John at April 23, 2011 10:04 AM

haven't looked at the place in a while, but I noticed the picture of it in the real estate section of the Chron, looks like it has walls going down to a normal foundation. the building used to float on the poles, which you can see on the interior shots. guess that sort of foundation gets compromised after 40 years.

Posted by: bernalkid at April 25, 2011 7:39 AM

Having been in this before any remodeling, it looks better than I thought it could. It started out woodsy 1960s Marin cabin and has gone halfway to Dwell 2010. It was once an innovative modern post (or telephone pole) and beam modern. The main floor is solid wood 2 x 6s on edge, which was once exposed as the ceiling on the lower floor - very oppressive. A little dry wall did wonders. That being said, the overall effect is schizophrenic - woodsy Marin on three facades, Dwell on the main facade. The remaining exposed interior poles and and crude 2x floor are bizarre in their new setting. Plus the place looks like a building materials showroom - the atrium has basket weave wood on one wall, dry laid fieldstone on the opposite, rimless frosted glass on another, and clear glass on the fourth. Plus a plaster ceiling, a limestone floor, a stainless steel bridge, and a red steel and glass railing. Whew. I was dizzy before I got inside to see yet another stone on the fireplace/room divider. The kitchen has enough design ideas for several kitchens...and who specified GE Monogram for this priced house? The drywall quality is excellent...but the flashing looks like my 12 yr. old kid did it. I had not seen NOVA work before, but the overall effect is amateur hour. And I wonder who owns the vacant lot next door and what happens to all those forest views when another similarly sized house is built six feet away.

Posted by: Jim at April 25, 2011 8:49 AM

The 10,000 SF Lot goes all the way to Miguel and most trees are on the lot. The open lot is a City owned open space called Fairmount Plaza.

Posted by: Zefabes at April 25, 2011 9:09 AM

Bernalkid,
You are correct, the entire foundations were redone and brought up to code. A few steel moment frames were added.

Posted by: Zefabes at April 25, 2011 9:46 AM

I went to the open house, which was really crowded given the secluded location. I liked it, actually. It's clearly a home made more for entertaining than anything else. I agree with Jim that the drywall work is good... Certainly, it was better than I anticipated. I thought the deck was gorgeous and fun, but it was freezing. I'm not sure how often someone could really use it.

Posted by: Denis at April 25, 2011 10:00 AM

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