July 15, 2009

JustQuotes: Designers Rise To The Rising Seas Challenge

Rising Seas Challenge Graphic

"[Shimmering levees of water that shield cities, or laser beams slicing across water through the night], these are two of six winners announced Tuesday in a design competition that responds to a real-life threat - scientific projections that in the century to come, the sea level of San Francisco Bay could climb 55 inches beyond today's high tide."

Designers answer call to fight rising seas [SFGate]
Responding to Sea Level Rise in San Francisco Bay/Beyond [risingtidescompetition.com]

First Published: July 15, 2009 8:15 AM

Comments from "Plugged In" Readers

Instead of embracing the human conceit that the way things are is the way things have always been, and the way things always will be, hallelujah amen. Perhaps we could take the long view that the earth is always changing and our land use patterns need to ebb and flow with it. Instead of deciding that we're going to do massive engineering to try to prevent any change perhaps we could stop making investments in areas that are likely to be inundated and start moving to higher ground gradually over the next 100 years.

Posted by: diemos at July 15, 2009 8:31 AM

San Francisco, the Venice of the West, if you pay any attention to the scare mongers. What is so funny is the sheer literalness of their proposed solution. I'm surprised they didn't do a few other cheesy renderings, like SF atop a grid of giant stilts. This is the new century equivalent of "duck & cover." But this time its "lift & separate."

Posted by: stucco-sux at July 15, 2009 8:41 AM

Massive engineering is change, so there isn't really any conflict between accepting planetary change and continuing to develop existing population centers while possible. If sea levels rise greatly then this will only be a temporary fix during which settlements move. The largest human population centers are mostly on seacoasts, so some methods for easing the transition are going to be needed. Environmentalism makes sense as a science, but not so much as a religion.

Posted by: Mole Man at July 15, 2009 8:42 AM

We have been changing the physical landscape to suit our needs for thousands of years, why stop now?

Posted by: Rillion at July 15, 2009 8:44 AM

The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predicts that sea levels will rise 18 to 59 centimeters – about 7 to 23 inches. Exagerating the numbers creates credibility issues which hurt the climate change cause.

Posted by: flaneur at July 15, 2009 8:47 AM

They rejected my entry: 12 inch waterproof platform flip flops for everyone to keep their mouths above the water line while walking in the newly flooded cities.

Posted by: tipster at July 15, 2009 8:50 AM

well the various levees and such will have the interesting effect of killing boat traffic on the bay as all boats, commercial and recreational, will have to pass through a series of locks to get down to the 'old' sea level.

And I shudder to think of what will happen when a large commercial boat strikes one of the levees.

Also, I guess the rest of the populace can say goodbye to wind surfing and kayaking on the bay outside of any of the levees since there will need to be tight restrictions to allow for commercial traffic to have room to maneuver.

All of this just so we can save a bunch of liquefaction zones that are likely to experience high levels of structural damage during any large earthquake that is sure to happen in the next 100 years.

Wouldn't it just be simpler to allow these areas to return to marsh/wetlands that would actually serve to protect the residents, wildlife, and the Bay.

Posted by: badlydrawnbear at July 15, 2009 8:57 AM

"why stop now?"

Because we're entering an age of resource limitations and we can't keep throwing away our resources on hare-brained schemes.

Posted by: diemos at July 15, 2009 9:00 AM

lol. Love the irony of the inbound oil tanker -- it looks too lightly-loaded to be a new-normal container ship (consumer electronics and electric cars). Hopefully it's nuclear powered.

Wild guess: these folks do not sail out of the St. Francis Yacht club. They are from Berkeley, so maybe there's even more irony here :)

Posted by: dub dub at July 15, 2009 9:30 AM

I'm planting sugarcane in my backyard. Sugarcane is the new corn.

Next I'm gonna build a still to power my hybrid ...

You heard it here first.

Posted by: Jimmy (No Longer Bitter) at July 15, 2009 9:42 AM

Folks who bought at ORH will look like geniuses while those at Infinity and Millennium commute on boats.

Posted by: Fishtarian at July 15, 2009 9:57 AM

how will this affect SOMA valuations?

Posted by: condoshopper at July 15, 2009 10:01 AM

I'm not sure about SOMA condo valuations, but I'll sell you a raft made of sugarcane stalks if the great flood really happens (after I get the sugar out, of course!).

Posted by: Jimmy (No Longer Bitter) at July 15, 2009 10:05 AM

".....could climb 55 inches beyond today's high tide."

Editors, you left out that this is expected to happen in the next century. In other words, it's somebody else's problem, just like our crushing national debt, peak oil, etc.

So everyone feel free to leave the Suburban running (with the AC on) when you pop into the corner store to buy more hair spray and steaks.

Posted by: Legacy Dude at July 15, 2009 10:11 AM

lol jimmy.

actually a lot of properties currently pay some "flood abatement fee" from some property tax bills that i've seen, so we should be ok.

Posted by: condoshopper at July 15, 2009 10:24 AM

I like how one tower of the bridge (Marin side)and the marin cliffside is behind the levee, but the San Francisco tower is outside the levee....

Posted by: Poor in PacHeights at July 15, 2009 10:35 AM

Just look at how Venice deals with aqua alta.

Posted by: whatever at July 15, 2009 10:38 AM

Chris Daly is gonna propose a law giving all tenants living in ground floor units the right of first refusal to move to higher floors at the expense of landlords.

Posted by: resp at July 15, 2009 10:58 AM

Really? I heard Daly is going to propose that tenants living in ground floor units with owners living in the buildings be allowed to murder their landlords and take over whatever they want.

Posted by: anonn at July 15, 2009 11:04 AM

they could make a nice cycling bath on the levees.

bikes on dikes.

Posted by: resp at July 15, 2009 11:13 AM

they could make a nice cycling bath on the levees.

bikes on dikes.

Posted by: resp at July 15, 2009 11:13 AM

On any other general forum the first 50 comments come in will lambast this as lie and conspiracy. That lack of responses of this intensity seems to reflect SocketSite readers has higher than average intelligence. Good sign.

I don't realize the second floor of the Ferry Building is open to public. Seems like a good excuse for me to check it out during the weekend.

Going back to real estate. My top concern is Treasure Island. It seems to me this piece of landfill in the middle of the bay is the most vulnerable to rising sea level. Given we are planning to put a lot of development onto Treasure Island, I wonder if anyone have given much thought to the risk.

Posted by: Wai Yip Tung at July 15, 2009 11:35 AM

@Wai Yip Tung:

My top concern is Treasure Island. It seems to me this piece of landfill in the middle of the bay is the most vulnerable to rising sea level.

Alameda too. Check out the map at the following link:

http://www.geo.arizona.edu/dgesl/research/other/climate_change_and_sea_level/sea_level_rise/sea_level_rise.htm

Posted by: D at July 15, 2009 1:05 PM

The entire country of the Netherlands is underwater. Does anyone imagine that a major city, PARTICULARLY San Francisco won't just deploy a bunch of dykes to hold back the tide?

Posted by: Jimmy (No Longer Bitter) at July 15, 2009 1:28 PM

Well actually most of Holland is well above sea level. But you're right Jimmy, that the Dutch have done a great job (at great expense) of keeping the sea out of their below sea level areas as well as reclaiming former seaside marshes into arable land.

SF's unique geography could work in its favor. Put a cork in the Golden Gate and turn the bay into a freshwater lake would save our low real estate though this would be costly in dollars as well as ecological impact. Freshwater entering from the Sacramento and other rivers could be released at low tide.

But the rest of the world would be a mess. Saving a little SF bay area real estate would be the least of our concerns.

Posted by: The Milkshake of Despair at July 15, 2009 1:45 PM

Why bother, wouldn't we all be dead by then anyways ;)

Just kidding. On a serious note, Scientists around the world are already predicting food and water shortage in the coming decades (not century mind you).

So I think future WARS would be found over resources like food and water, not oil.

Make way for Jebb Bush to lead the 1st Water War !

Posted by: Chad at July 15, 2009 1:49 PM

If that happens I'm moving back to Canada. Seriously. Plenty of food and water (& oil) up there. No need for wars, eh.

Posted by: Jimmy (No Longer Bitter) at July 15, 2009 1:52 PM

". . .San Francisco won't just deploy a bunch of dykes to hold back the tide?"

i hear trannys are much bitchier

Posted by: non at July 15, 2009 2:00 PM

"If that happens I'm moving back to Canada...."

Jimmy, you do realize that Canada is probably the first country us 'mericans will invade in Water War One, right? Although you should still be safe from the zombie apocalypse, alien viruses, and the war with SkyNet. Especially in the deep forests.

Posted by: Legacy Dude at July 15, 2009 2:19 PM

I think we could get away with simply "annex"ing Canada..... Why bother with a War when the end means can be achieved without one... Unless of course, like I said, Jebb Bush is our President, in which case we have to invade Canada !

Posted by: Chad at July 15, 2009 2:28 PM

It's a lie and conspiracy!

Did I make the first 50 posts?

Actually this has nothing to do with intelligence of Socketsite readers. More like we're all in groupthink about this whole thing.

Posted by: Toady at July 15, 2009 2:46 PM

A lot of peopel were already under water with their mortgages, this won't help things at all.

Posted by: redseca2 at July 15, 2009 3:29 PM

@redseca2.... ROFL!

@diemos, "...perhaps we could stop making investments in areas that are likely to be inundated and start moving to higher ground..."

Well..... where would you suggest we move to where there aren't earthquakes, blizzards, fires, hurricanes, tornados, avalanches or wars?

Posted by: StockBoySF at July 15, 2009 6:10 PM

Fill the bay. Problem solved. Plus we get a lot of new real estate, and a better seaway to Sacto (that's where all the fill will come from).

Posted by: Troy at July 15, 2009 9:19 PM

They are from Berkeley, so maybe there's even more irony here :)
We are definitely a special breed over here. Oh the dilemma:
We need to reinforce the cripple walls in our 1906 one-story house. But we live in the Berkeley flats and we are worried about potential flooding. We are not that far above sea level and we don’t think that global warming is a fairy tale.

Posted by: EBGuy at July 15, 2009 10:05 PM

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