July 6, 2009
A Remodeled Marquee Lofts #708 Returns…With A Kitchen!

As a plugged-in reader notes, a fully remodeled and renovated Marquee Lofts (151 Alice B. Toklas Place) #708 has returned to the market asking $739,000 following its kitchen-less foreclosure sale for $580,000 in June of 2008.
Once again, Marquee Lofts #708 first changed hands on 9/30/04 for $607,500; sold on 10/05/06 for $865,000; and was bought back by Merrill Lynch Mortgage Lending for $708,933 on 1/9/08. As it looked at that time:

∙ Listing: 151 Alice B. Toklas Place #708 (1/1) - $739,000 [MLS]
∙ Change Of Heart, Cash Crunch, Or A Condo Sitter Gone Crazy? [SocketSite]
∙ From Foreshadowing To Foreclosure For A Marquee Loft Off Van Ness [SocketSite]
∙ Another Non-Comp Comp Along The Booming Van Ness Corridor [SocketSite]
First Published: July 6, 2009 11:15 AM
Comments from "Plugged In" Readers
His and her sinks, but an apartment-sized fridge (correct me if I'm wrong).
Perfect for a couple who decides to save money on their spa treatments, and by going childless, but still want to eat out a lot, and pay 767/month HOA. Parking too!
It's nice to see folks adjusting to the new normal.
Posted by: dub dub at July 6, 2009 11:23 AM
Purchase:$580K
Floors: $ 10K
Kitchen: $ 30K
Bath: $ 10K
Realtor $ 35K
Hold $ 35K
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Total Out$700
List: $739.
Posted by: tipster at July 6, 2009 11:44 AM
I like the redesign! It's always nice to have a kitchen.
One thought: I've never understood how this kind of 'loft' set up qualified as a 1 BD? vs a really good studio set up? In this case the sleeping area is essitially tucked in behind the kitchen. At least with most 'lofts' the bedroom space is at least on a sperate floor. Or does it really matter how many steps (up)it takes to get up to the sleeping space?
Posted by: Poor in Pac Heights at July 6, 2009 11:49 AM
tipster may want to add one other item to the flipper's costs : the remodel of the posts. It looks as if the posts were shrouded in a boxy inverted ziggurat structure in this place's last incarnation. I like the current remod where the concrete posts appear in their original bugle shaped form.
Posted by: The Milkshake of Despair at July 6, 2009 12:16 PM
Pretty! Seven WHAT?!?!
Posted by: Mole Man at July 6, 2009 12:25 PM
@mole yeah. $766 HOAs! If this really were for "discerning buyers" that would stop them in their tracks right there.
Posted by: nottimhawko at July 6, 2009 12:41 PM
I bet $1,000,000,000,000 that this closes under $700K
TIC
Posted by: spencer at July 6, 2009 12:43 PM
Have to commend the brave condo-flippers who stuck their necks out in this market.
Of course, sticking your neck out isn't always a great idea. We'll know how if all ends up in a few months.
Posted by: Jimmy (No Longer Bitter) at July 6, 2009 12:51 PM
I think the real question is: "will they look smart in 5 years?"
LOL
Posted by: Jimmy (No Longer Bitter) at July 6, 2009 12:54 PM
I like the kitchen, and obviously in was done on a tight budget. Any idea where the cabinets are from?
Posted by: steve at July 6, 2009 1:21 PM
Someplace where the trees grow sideways, I would think...
Posted by: BobN at July 6, 2009 1:44 PM
I read this in the Business Times, to put pricing into perspective. I guess the developers are losing, and getting ready to lose a lot of money, or they may try to sit tight hold the properties?
"Even with the price of land down more than 50 percent, it still costs at least $750 a square foot to build a steel-frame tower. A tower with 1,000-square-foot two bedrooms would have to average $750,000 a unit to break even."
Posted by: gowiththeflow at July 6, 2009 1:58 PM
Here is a similar condo from a flipper who bought a foreclosure (it's been on Socketsite before when it was originally advertised for more than > 1kk)
http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Francisco/1671-Bush-St-94109/home/570957
Wonder what it will eventually sell for. Less than $400 per square foot in the "near lower pac heights" area seems almost passable.
Posted by: Jay at July 6, 2009 2:55 PM
So I guess the investors who bought it to flip didn't buy the ripped out kitchen pieces from Craig's List.
Posted by: Lori at July 6, 2009 3:40 PM
i'm interested in seeing what happens with the Bush St apt.
Posted by: spencer at July 6, 2009 6:07 PM
What is the neighborhood around here like? What are the amenities? Current and projected?
Posted by: midcentfan at July 6, 2009 6:13 PM
gowiththeflow - The numbers from the San Franciso Business Times are suspect. According to Wikipedia, the 1,150,000 square feet Millennium Tower cost $350 million to build, working out to $304 psf. And that was the peak of the real estate cycle: Construction costs have come down since.
Posted by: flaneur at July 6, 2009 6:26 PM
I see the numbers you are looking at; yes, suspect. I wonder if the numbers are rigged or if the Wiki info does not account for all the cost? What could they have left out? Perhaps Wiki is strictly construction cost to build, not including land, fees, etc.?
Posted by: gowiththeflow at July 6, 2009 8:55 PM
It's all the more funny as the source for the $350 million figure on Wikipedia is an article in Business Times Dop they generate their numbers with dice?
Posted by: flaneur at July 6, 2009 10:14 PM
On the subject of numbers provided by developers, see this WSJ article on Trunp's estimates of his net worth. Wonder why some of us do not trust developers?
Posted by: flaneur at July 6, 2009 10:34 PM
I'm not exactly sure, but I think the 350M is only for the cost of constructing the building.
Posted by: Bay Area Native at July 7, 2009 10:38 PM
Yes, and it was in reply to gowiththeflow's quote from the Business Times that "Even with the price of land down more than 50 percent, it still costs at least $750 a square foot to build a steel-frame tower." Granted Millennium Tower is concrete, but the price difference between concrete and steel is not that great.
Posted by: flaneur at July 8, 2009 11:39 AM
On second thought, I see what you mean "The cost to build" does not necessarily refer to construction cost. I am still skeptical of a figure in which the construction cost is a fraction of the total cost. On the other hand, given the astronomical rates you would have to pay to get a construction loan these days - assuming you could get one - this might be true.
Posted by: flaneur at July 8, 2009 11:45 AM
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