October 3, 2008
You’ve Seen Two, But You Haven’t Seen Them All: 300 Beale #406
∙ Listing: 300 Beale #406 (2/2) - $1,595,000 [MLS]
∙ Loft By Nature, Luxury By Design: Embarcadero Lofts (300 Beale) [SocketSite]
∙ You’ve Seen One, But You Haven’t Seen Them All: 300 Beale #613 [SocketSite]
First Published: October 3, 2008 10:00 AM
Comments from "Plugged In" Readers
The rocks under the tub look cool....but how do you clean or dust??? Sometimes practicality really does need to be considered.
Posted by: CameronRex at October 3, 2008 10:08 AM
Interesting since it is in the same price range as the 17th street (4590 17th st.) condo bathroom discussion from yesterday. Now THIS is a bathroom! It is white also, but spacious, and interesting. Please take note Noearch. I don't think there would be any confusion about this looking like a prison or hospital bathroom.
This shows the "Zen Spa" bath trend is still alive.
Posted by: Morgan at October 3, 2008 10:22 AM
Wow. I haven't seen 1 bad unit in this building. I'm jealous again.
Posted by: steak_knife at October 3, 2008 10:23 AM
The kitchen looks amazing. I love how the fridge blends in well with the dark wooden cabinets. And 2 car parking?? That's such a rarity these days in SoBe/SoMa condos. If I had to choose between Unit 406 and Unit 613, my vote goes towards this unit - #406. I hope the chandelier comes with the house!
Posted by: SC at October 3, 2008 11:08 AM
I like this bath too. and yes, white works very well here.
morgan: you may be confusing me with anonarch. I dont believe I made the comment on the 17th st. baths as looking hospital or prison like.
but one criticism: no medicine cabinets over the sinks. I always install those in the baths I design. after all, you NEED space close by for those basics at the sink; toothbrush, paste, small stuff, drugs (legal ones of course). I always specify Robern or Kohler med cabinets. they are not cheap but worth it.
Posted by: noearch at October 3, 2008 11:11 AM
Now that tub looks like it has a curved surface. How do you get in or out of it without falling? I don't see any grab bars anywhere.
Yes it looks interesting but I'm a firm believer in form following function. That's supposed to be a place to bath, not an abstract art installation.
Posted by: diemos at October 3, 2008 11:18 AM
noearch, what do you design for the illegal ones?
Posted by: sparky-the-bear at October 3, 2008 11:19 AM
I love this building!
Posted by: Katy Dinner at October 3, 2008 12:03 PM
It's anothet depressing day with the stock market again so let's talk about inconsequential things... I prefer below the counter cabinets and drawers to medicine cabinets: they offer a lot more storage.
[Editor’s Note: Or you could join the discussion on the “consequential.” Unlike some, we know you can handle more than one topic at a time.]
Posted by: flaneur at October 3, 2008 12:08 PM
Medicine cabinets are great for medicine and hair products and stuff. Those aren't great to look down on in a drawer and not see the label.
For the cost of Robern and Kohler med. cabs. you can get one custom to match your vanity. I am suprised that noearch specs. these.
Posted by: sparky-the-bear at October 3, 2008 12:16 PM
noearch, what do you design for the illegal ones?
presumably you hide them underneath the rocks. the side benefit is that if you use them often enough, you won't have to worry about dusting the rocks!
Posted by: yao at October 3, 2008 12:18 PM
From functionality point of view, the bathtub doesn't work if you have kids. It looks nice but will be very inconvenient for daily living.
Posted by: John at October 3, 2008 12:29 PM
It's hard to imagine this loft working at all with kids because it is so open. This is more of a thing for couples or brief guests or both where one of those spaces becomes a "den" most of the time.
The stylish fixtures in the bathroom look hard to use and impossible to clean. Glass shower doors can be scary too. At that price some remodeling would not be hard. The kitchen looks sleek and practical without being over the top.
This building is amazing, and exterior will look better with once it accumulates some sun damage and a layer of filth.
Posted by: Mole Man at October 3, 2008 12:44 PM
Katy! You crack me up!
Posted by: Boo at October 3, 2008 12:44 PM
"From functionality point of view, the bathtub doesn't work if you have kids. It looks nice but will be very inconvenient for daily living."
I don't think this unit or any sort of modern unit is designed with kids involved. Come to think of it, I have never even seen a kid over the age of 1 in this part of town
Posted by: spencer at October 3, 2008 12:56 PM
How many units are for sale this building anyway? It's not your typical cookie cutter SOMA apt building- each unit appears custom designed and well executed. Is this an unusual number for the Emb. Lofts? And if so, did these folks just hit their 2 year mark of ownership, or are they trying to jump ship before SF real estate sinks further?
Posted by: Nicole at October 3, 2008 12:57 PM
no, you cant. besides, what do you mean by "custom" med cab. anyway? Robern and Kohler cabinets are high quality in every way. they are cleanly designed, look like what they are supposed to look like. (hey, I'm basically a modernist)..and they are expensive, but well worth it.
I think a well designed bath needs both med cabs and drawer space.
Posted by: noearch at October 3, 2008 1:01 PM
noearch, I spun through Kohlers site, and they do have some good stuff (as they always do), I had only used some of the spendier stuff that another arch spec.'d. Robern M-series modern style, okay that would work, the other trimmed stuff is what I was comparing. By custom I mean custom. "Here is what I want mr. cabinet maker. This wood, this color, this mirror, these shelves"= custom
Med and drawers, agreed.
Posted by: sparky-the-bear at October 3, 2008 1:13 PM
Who cares about the medicine cabinet / drawer debate when the real issue is the mirror! I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to look to my left and see an up close reflection of me dropping a deuce.
Posted by: j at October 3, 2008 1:42 PM
I am with you there, too much mirror information.
Posted by: sparky-the-bear at October 3, 2008 1:44 PM
from what I hear, mirrors are only useful in a horizontal position.
Posted by: noearch at October 3, 2008 2:19 PM
With that wall of mirrors, you can sit in the tub and watch, not just one, but two people on the toilet while you soak!
Posted by: BobN at October 3, 2008 2:26 PM
Boffi, Miele, Porro, Agape...looks like the designer visited Dzine showroom off 16th st on potrero hill.
Posted by: tjg at October 3, 2008 2:58 PM
@Moleman: "It's hard to imagine this loft working at all with kids because it is so open."
But from the kid's point of view, plenty of open space in which to play Nerf football!
Posted by: Binnings Team at October 3, 2008 6:26 PM
spencer - "I don't think this unit or any sort of modern unit is designed with kids involved. Come to think of it, I have never even seen a kid over the age of 1 in this part of town"
Because most of the buyers are DINKS doesn't mean they won't have kids someday.
Posted by: John at October 4, 2008 8:23 AM
uh-oh! I think I personally know who owns this unit. I wonder why they are selling? I'll have to make a call. The unit is amazing. I have first hand knowledge... Maybe the residents are seeing what neighbors are listing for and thinking they can cash out big if they list, now they just need to sell.
Posted by: Ryan at October 4, 2008 10:04 AM
I have never even seen a kid over the age of 1 in this part of town
I see children of all ages standing in front of the Mexican Consulate, which is just down the street. I also see families at the Ferry Building on the weekends. It is hard to say how many of these families live in the neighborhood.
The area probably could use a children's park though, I think the closest one is in South Park.
Posted by: NoeValleyJim at October 4, 2008 11:16 AM
"I have never even seen a kid over the age of 1 in this part of town".
Or in the Marina. Now in 1990 when I moved there (to buy a home for less than a Soma 1bd unit today), I remember MANY children playing on our block of Prado all the time in the afternoons. Now it is just joggers with IPods. Old Time residents will tell you that drivers had to use caution driving through Cow Hollow and Presidio Heights in the afternoons because children many times had various games taking place on the streets. It was really wonderful to see a street be more than just a place for cars. (Now I am going WAYYY back to the 80's)
NVJ, I don't know if you are a long time San Franciscan, but there are far fewer children in the central neighborhoods than there was almost 20 years ago. Most of my neighbors end up in Marin or the East Bay after their child hits 3 or 4.
As for this unit, I like it. I am hoping the tub is designed like a Japanese soak tub and the overflow goes through the pebbles to drains. Perhaps Ryan could correct me if I am wrong?
Posted by: anon94123 at October 4, 2008 5:39 PM
I have been in the Bay Area 20 years and in San Francisco for 15 of those. There are more children in The Haight, NOPA, Noe Valley, The Tenderloin and The Mission than 15 years ago, probably fewer in The Marina and Pacific Heights, so I am not sure what qualifies as a "central neighborhood" to you. Statistics show that the number of children in San Francisco is relatively constant from 1990 to today. 16.1% in 1990, to 14.5% in 2000 to just under 15% today. There was a big drop from 1970 to 1990, so maybe you mean over the last 30 or 40 years.
The most expensive neighborhoods have lost children as the population has aged in place, but others have sprung up in their place. This same phenomena is already starting to happen here, with younger families showing up in Bernal and Glen Park.
I was looking at places north of Sacramento a few weeks ago with my family and we stopped in the Moscone Rec Center and the place was full of kids (and a few homeless, in spite of many regular posters claims that there are no homeless in The Marina). The library had many older kids as well. It is hard to say how many lived in the neighborhood, but it sure seemed like most of them were from the area.
Kids play volleyball on my street all the time and there are at least 20 children who live on the block I live on: about half of them are under five, granted, but there are about half a dozen families with children in public school and a couple with kids in private school. The most expensive neighborhoods have lost children as the population has aged in place, but others have sprung up in their place. This same phenomena is already starting to happen here, with younger families showing up in Bernal and Glen Park.
Posted by: NoeValleyJim at October 5, 2008 10:04 AM
Sorry for repeating myself, my copy edit got caught short by my wife dragging me out the door for Pho...
Posted by: NoeValleyJim at October 5, 2008 10:14 AM
Today, you don't see many kids playing on the street by themselves because parents are more cautious, and outdoor playing has been replaced by game consoles and TV.
Demographically, there was a little baby boomlet at around 1990, then the birth rate had a surely and slow decline. It bottomed out recently (and some schools in bay area were closed due to low enrollment), and increased during the last couple of years.
Posted by: John at October 5, 2008 11:19 AM
I am happy and surprised to hear of 20 children on your block of Noe Valley NVJ. I must also agree that I need to remember that the north side of the city has become older and more childless. And regarding homeless in the Marina...They are here, but in very small numbers.
I still think we are well on our way to having San Francisco become an increasingly adult Disneyland for those who can afford it.
Posted by: anon94123 at October 5, 2008 11:30 AM
My street has 15 kids. But it's not cental. Lot's of kids around here (W.Potal). A big shift from being an older neighborhood not very long ago.
I have had 4 clients in Cow Hollow/Marina in the last 3 years. Three of those were expanding homes for there little kids to grow up in.
Posted by: sparky-the-bear at October 5, 2008 12:11 PM
I am amazed at the comments about no children in Cow Hollow. I live there and have just come back from a block meeting complete with a Mariachi band, pot luck food, wine, pinatas and lots and lots of kids who live in the surrounding buildings. Also if you haven't walked on Chestnut Street and growled at the double baby carriages (can you say invitro?) complete with harrassed mom and labrador dog you haven't been visiting Cow Hollow. Its a vibrant place with a whole mix of ages.
Posted by: Oceangoer at October 5, 2008 6:58 PM