February 26, 2008
A Few Renderings Of The Buildings Rising Up In South Mission Bay
UPDATE (2/28): Sorry folks, but the renderings for 1450 Owens Street (Parcel 7), 1500 Owens Street (Parcel 5) and Parcel 26 in Mission Bay have been removed at the request of Alexandria Real Estate Equities (although a few will return in the not too distant future). If you didn’t see them, let this serve as a lesson to plug in early (and often). And if you did, let this once again serve as a lesson to not post “confidential” materials to a public facing website where a plugged-in tipster might find them.
∙ Alexandria accelerates Mission Bay [Business Times]
∙ An Overview Of Mission Bay [SocketSite]
∙ 1501 Greenwich: A Plugged-In Reader Finds The Floor Plans [SocketSite]
First Published: February 26, 2008 1:39 PM
Comments from "Plugged In" Readers
Nice designs but it's lookin a bit too much like a large corporate campus. I hope there's enough retail along third so that it develops a neighborhood feel as opposed to a corporate cluster.
Posted by: luvinmissionbay at February 26, 2008 3:04 PM
These are interchangeable big boxes. Just like Walmart or Target, in a different reincarnation. Good luck creating "character" in that neighborhood.
Posted by: anon8mizer at February 26, 2008 3:42 PM
Uhh....Some of it is a corporate campus! e.g. the Old Navy building, for starters.
Once all this development finishes I wonder where all the stoners will go. I'm sure they won't be allowed to keep smoking up in their cars along Terry Francois next to Mission Rock. And I am curious how long it will take for Jelly's and Mission rock to become wine bars, sushi joints or dog clothing stores.
Posted by: anon at February 26, 2008 3:48 PM
What happened to the idea that south mission bay would be a mix of green space, residential, waterfront trails, large commercial, and small retail? Its looking right now like a lot a big boxes that are gonna block out the sun, condense those proposed green spaces into small patches of grass (or drought resistant plantings) and reduce the foot traffic down to only those working in the big boxes (i.e. South City's Oyster Point). So much for it being an extension of South Beach. Is the talk of tearing down the concrete plant and turning it into a park still alive? Is dogpatch slated to become what Mission Bay was originally planned to be?
Posted by: Rob at February 26, 2008 4:12 PM
Was anyone around in the early 90's when Catellus was claiming they were going to build America's finest "european" neighborhood in Mission Bay? Streets without cars, with retail, cafes, parks, canals, galleries, performance spaces. I have mentioned before that they sent designers on a world tour to study new neighborhoods that "got it right". Trains, trams and electric bus lines would go down parkways, while other streets had the density of old Barcelona or Amsterdam. The architecture was sort of "new urbanist", and mostly modern, but not commercial. And THIS is what we get? This is an edge city office campus like you would see out in the East Bay or Orange County, not an urban neighborhood.
This also is another reminder to me that people who live in the city now, are not really city people at all. They don't want to live in dense neighborhoods with a mixture of different economic groups, shops and architecture. They want buildings that could be in anywhere U.S.A., and are "tired" of older structures without parking and airconditioning. They want stucco, security cameras in the garage, doormen, and a place to walk the dog, but no real street life. I am going to predict that SOMA and Mission Bay are going to be more Los Angeles than Los Angeles, while L.A. goes the other direction with more unique neighborhoods that change organically like Silver Lake and Venice. Abbot Kinney Blvd. in only 8 years has become what San Francisco was. No chain stores,but REAL lofts, interesting galleries, rich & poor, new and old, all mixed together in a neighborhood where people walk and enjoy a world without corporate campus sterility .
Posted by: Morgan at February 26, 2008 4:26 PM
LA native here. Yes, Venice and Abbott Kinney are great, but come on, they're anything but typical in LA. Still LA gets MAJOR points for permitting the revitalization of Hollywood and downtown in ways SF's anti-development zealots would never permit - starting with the restoration of order and public safety and including large-scale residential development. SF should only be so lucky.
Posted by: zzzzzzz at February 26, 2008 4:36 PM
Golly, Morgan! Do you think adding some bay windows might help? Good luck shoe horning real lofts and cultured city street life anywhere half million dollar base unit prices dictate that lawyers and high level account managers are among the most likely residents.
Posted by: Mole Man at February 26, 2008 6:00 PM
OMG We've turned into Berkeley...
Posted by: sf at February 26, 2008 6:52 PM
...or Emeryville (though the renderings of the building at the top show a subtlety and tactility in the surfaces lacking in the lower corporate campus looking stuff.
Posted by: citicritter at February 26, 2008 8:00 PM
Isn't this just part of the economics of a master plan developer
We want biotech and the jobs. I agree it could have been better, especially the residential, but all said it is better than having no new jobs and decades more of derelict railyards
And I challenge anyone who thinks this is like other edge office parks to spend a day one exit away at Oyster Point (where I spend a decade working) and tell me this isn't worlds better on every front
Posted by: Zig at February 26, 2008 8:33 PM
Should be no surprise that plans are fluid until the first shovel full of dirt is turned over by a politician with a gold spray painted shovel in hand. If you don't like what you see, wait 100 years until what is there is torn down and redone as something else.
Posted by: Can't think of cool name at February 26, 2008 9:24 PM
Looks much better than the industrial buildings of the last filthy century.
Posted by: sf at February 26, 2008 9:24 PM
I love modern architecture - I really do. But it's more appropriate (generally) for commercial use, not residential. It's too "cold". Anyone walk near the Beacon, Glassworks, Berry Street developments and feel any kind of neighborhood warmth? Millenium tower can be all glass b/c it has context with downtown...but a true residential neighborhood cannot be made of only glass, steel and un-ornamented concrete or prefab crap. Some homes need to be home-y...not all loft-y. Capisce?
Posted by: TheRealScoop at February 26, 2008 10:53 PM
Check out the "portfolio" section for a few more...Parcel 4, Avalon Tower III, and another Bosa development along the South side of the channel.
Posted by: gghh at February 26, 2008 11:21 PM
Hey, that 1500 Owens Street (Parcel 5) is pretty nice, as is the place along the waterfront. For the latter, the scale and the ratio of window to wall really work for me, as do the eaves created by the horizontal planes. The fenestration on the former is sweet.
Posted by: who_deenie at February 27, 2008 7:31 PM
Sorry folks, but the renderings for 1450 Owens Street (Parcel 7), 1500 Owens Street (Parcel 5) and Parcel 26 in Mission Bay have been removed at the request of Alexandria Real Estate Equities (although a few will return in the not too distant future).
If you didn’t see them, let this serve as a lesson to plug in early (and often). And if you did, let this once again serve as a lesson to not post "confidential" materials to a public facing website where a plugged-in tipster might find them.
Posted by: SocketSite at February 28, 2008 10:24 AM