The Infinity
A tipster forwards a recent picture of The Infinity and notes that up to 800 Google employees will soon be wandering the streets nearby (they’re subleasing three floors at Hills Plaza). Well, at least for the next three years.
[UPDATE (1/23): For those of you who have been following the thread of comments regarding a discrepancy between the Infinity sales office and website in terms of unit square footage, a “plugged in” reader notes: “Apparently the [Infinity] website designer made some mistakes and placed the wrong SqFt on the wrong units…The PDF file is the correct version per the Sales Office. They will try to correct the website asap. Terrible mistake on their part, but NO they are NOT taking away square footage.”]
The Infinity: Online Floor Plans And Condo Specifications [SocketSite]

71 thoughts on “The Infinity Continues To Grow Up”
  1. Those 800 Google employees are going to be working literally across the street from The Infinity.
    I wonder how many of them will consider buying a unit in The Infinity?

  2. I don’t see how they’ll have time to wonder about buying a unit if they are focused on “wondering” the streets?
    [Editor’s Note: It happens (and TGIF).]

  3. Not everybody who works at Google is wealthy. Sure, the folks who were in early (pre IPO) are not hurting, but most googleites make normal bay area money, $50 – $100K/year.
    I’m not saying they won’t buy at the Infinity or somewhere else in the city, but don’t expect 800 millionaires to show up lighting their cigars with $100 bills.
    On an unrelated tangent, cheers to SocketSite’s increasing popularity! Recently mentioned in the Chronicle and today on Yahoo! Finance.

  4. The Google lease is a major coup for SF and a remarkable comment on how SF manages to attract companies despite its best efforts to repel them. Still, Google, with its endless resources, is the archetype of a company that can survive and thrive in SF’s highly taxed and regulated environment. For small businesses operating on thin profit margins, it’s another matter entirely.

  5. The article claims only 900 millionaires at Google from cashing out options. Not sure if this means there are others that have google stock worth more than a million but have just not sold. There is a lot of money there.

  6. Does anyone know how Google is faring in its effort to provide free city-wide wifi? All I know is that as of last summer it was pretty snagged up and that the snags appeared to be more political than anything else. Certain supervisors were asking for things like free busrides to the zoo for schoolkids….
    Anyway, lots of Google employees already live in the city. The Infinity is as logical a choice for them as anywhere else.

  7. Let’s remember back to 2000, shall we. All the newly minted mega-net companies were the ones who did the massive layouts through the 2001-2002 recession and ended up having huge amounts of office space they needed to sublease in the city of SF. I imagine we are setup for the same scenario during the next recession regardless of if a new condo tower is being built or not.

  8. I think that this new Infinity building (along with others being built nearby….One Rincon, Millenium, etc) will generate a spiral effect for the neighborhood, with numerous residential and business additions.

  9. 800 new employees earning good money a block from the Infinity? I’m sure that got the developer and marketing team excited.
    Not sure how many would actually put a deposit down, but watching that spectacular tower go up, I’m sure some would be tempted. Even if it’s just 10-20 additional deposits, it would be coup for Infinity…

  10. Well, since those 800 workers will be working in an office tower during the day, I doubt many of them will want to go to sleep in a different office tower a block away every night. It might get old.

  11. “I think that this new Infinity building (along with others being built nearby….One Rincon, Millenium, etc) will generate a spiral effect for the neighborhood, with numerous residential and business additions.”
    Amen, brother/sister. I particularly would like to see the business addition and, specifically, non-chain businesses. Yes, we know, Starbucks, you are great, you are wonderful, blah, blah, blah, but I’d really like to see some local businesses. For instance, if there was a Starbucks on one side of the street, and local coffee house on the other side of the street that served really good coffee, it wouldn’t even be a question where I’d go.
    I think it’s really more a question of, can these businesses turn a profit under the commercial leasing rates that will be in effect. These guys always tend to get squeezed because they are not large volume businesses. A real shame. I personally would advocate tax breaks to land owners that lease to small business at BMR.

  12. “On an unrelated tangent, cheers to SocketSite’s increasing popularity! Recently mentioned in the Chronicle and today on Yahoo! Finance.”
    I saw that too. It sort of figures that a former IB guy would come up with something so simple, yet so novel, like Socketsite. Hats off!
    So off of the unrelated note, and back onto the related note; any kind of Google presence in the Rincon Hill/South Beach area is definitely a great thing.

  13. “that wld be a dream of mine to only have to walk a block away to go from home to work”
    A friend of mine used to live in the Hills Plaza condominiums and work in the Gap offices soon to be occupied by Google. Although he did have to walk a few steps from the residential elevators to get to the office lobby, I told him I thought it was creepy that he might be breathing air at home from the same ventilation system that served his office. What could be worse? From his bedroom and living room windows he could see into boss’s office at the Gap headquarters across the street. That’s a bit too close for comfort–and no calling in sick unless you keep your blinds drawn all day.

  14. “That’s a bit too close for comfort–and no calling in sick unless you keep your blinds drawn all day.”
    Great point. When I move into my condo at 1Rincon, I’ll be about 5 blocks from my office. That’s about the right buffer for me.
    “You don’t understand. You’ve gotta have a buffer zone!!”

  15. I don’t buy the “too close to home” argument, especially if you’re working 60-80 hour weeks. And Google only has a three year sub-lease, so it’s probably a non-issue.
    In either case, the sales office has to be celebrating. Nothing like having the Google crowd milling about over the next couple of years, watching the building rise and open, and being able to check-in with the sales office or tour a unit at lunch…

  16. This is a testament to Infinity’s great location. Hills Plaza, Gap building, Embacadero, waterfront, 2 brand new restaurants, and now Google with 800 new employess? All within a block from each other? Talk about a spark to the neighborhood!
    And I wish I could work a block from where I live, especially if I had a baby/young kid (which I hope to soon) 🙂

  17. 1. How’s real estate in Mountain View, next to the other 8,000 Google employees, doing? If my friends at google are correct, probably not all that well. DQnews says it’s flat to down. Oh well, that shoots the theory that all that has to happen is for Google to move in next door and real estate values will shoot up. Next.
    2. Most Google employees want to live in the Mission , or other cool areas of the city. The attraction of South Beach is it’s proximity to the Freeway for people working south or east, who want new construction in SF. Not too many Googlers who will be working in SF fit that profile. Some, for sure, but not many. And mostly, these offices are for people already living in SF, who work in Mountain View. Some new people will live in SF for sure, but a couple of hundred, not all 800, will be new.
    I’m sure this will help some the Infinity, but it’s not going to be that big for that project.

  18. I’m sure it’ll help Infinity some. Certainly a positive, and it’ll spread the word about the area and the development. I’d say it’s good for a dozen or so more reservations, but a boon for the whole neighborhood…

  19. This is a testament to Infinity’s great location.
    I like the location, but don’t delude yourself, this is a testament to the terms of their sub-lease, not the location.

  20. “How’s real estate in Mountain View, next to the other 8,000 Google employees, doing? If my friends at google are correct, probably not all that well.”
    You forgot to mention that other than the Googleplex, Mtn. View sucks. Why would employees want to live there. If the campus were on University Ave in Palo Alto, it would be a different story. This Google leasing of the offices won’t make the neighborhood. Its already a great neighborhood. They will simply enhance it.

  21. The new infinity tower rising looks beautiful from the bridge but it will be ashamed when that view will be blocked by tower two. Since the buildings are essentially round the units have much more of a view of each other unlike staggered buildings that are square.

  22. Yes, that’s so true. Mt View isn’t the most desireable and exciting place to live.
    At Hills Plaza though, just imagine those Google folks mesmorized by the awesome bay views from their office. And imagine them walking across the street to the waterfront for lunch or break. If anything, there should be several dozen or so that will fall in love with the area and relocate to SF. Infinity has to reap some benefit from their move. Heck the whole neighborhood will benefit. And just wait till those 2 spanking new bayfront restaurants open up. What a boost they will provide! The best is really yet to come…

  23. “Talk about a boon to the neighborhood”
    Huh? The google employees are just plugging the hole caused by the Gap employees who left. This just makes SF even, not ahead.
    As for Mountain View sucking, parts do and parts don’t, like good old SF. As noted, most of those employees aren’t going to live in South Beach.

  24. “Since the buildings are essentially round the units have much more of a view of each other unlike staggered buildings that are square”
    I don’t agree with that. Unless you get a middle unit, the corner units will have pano 90 degree views because of it’s cuvature (and the middle units won’t directly face the 2nd tower either). And since only one corner of the 2 buildings will be facing each other, it’ll only be partially blocked by the second building. The rest of the units not facing the 2nd tower won’t be obstructed and will have some combination of bridge, bay, skyline or twin peaks views. And I personally don’t mind having some views of buildings and skyline. It gives the view some texture instead of just vast bay views and nothing else, especially at night.

  25. “Huh? The google employees are just plugging the hole caused by the Gap employees who left. This just makes SF even, not ahead.”
    I don’t think 800 Gap employees left. That would have been big news.
    Google coming to Hills Plaza is a positive no matter how you spin it. They will certainly bring more business and spending $ to the neighborhood. And certainly some will move to the area. Whether they rent or buy, just having the additional workers and residents is a positive, no doubt about that….

  26. Microsoft DID lease office space at Westfield.
    In a similar vein to this thread, my understanding is that the SRO hotel owners on sixth street are expecting a surge of new renters, since the new MS employees will only be a block away.

  27. Alright!!! Google!!! Yipeee! That will really drive business in the area!!!
    Of course Google provides FREE meals for its employees, so I guess some of the restaurants in the area that used to serve the Gap employees will go under, but hey, it’s Google!!!! Boy!!!
    And the free laundry the company provides, means those businesses will go under too. But WOW!!! Google!!!
    Of course, with the free coffee they give away to their employees, it might be tough for the coffee shops in the area, but WOW, Google!!!
    I think it’s a great addition to the area and will really serve to spark the decline of business in the area. WOW! Hooray! Etc.

  28. Congrats to Socketsite for it’s continued reconization as one of the premier residential real estate sites in the digital universe.
    As to Pat Kuleto’ 2 new restaurants on the bay, he already has one of the most popular in the whole Bay Area on Mission Street – Boulevard. Nancy Oakes is a legend. Not to mention the 10+ other very popular restaurants within two to three blocks. No one is going hungry in this part of town
    I used to live in a building in North Beach and I took the elevator from my condo to my office, it was great. The shorter commute the better.
    The demand for new office space is synergistic.
    Provide exciting housing and the dynamic companies will show up. The creative components of every business, from design to finance and every position in between, want to live in and be part of what’s new and where the future is in front of them.
    Remember, the Infinity, in addition to its 2nd tower has building rights to two additional towers one block to the west. 800+ more units.
    What price point is the new Millennium project on Mission at 400+ units? 50 + stories tall!!
    And these are the puppies for the neighborhood, if Mr.Piano’s and the Transbay Terminal projects happen.
    The Google employees know about this, heck the plugged in Bay Area knows about this. It is not a secret!!
    As to “Let’s remember back to 2000, shall we. All the newly minted mega-net companies were the ones who did the massive layouts through the 2001-2002 recession and ended up having huge amounts of office space they needed to sublease in the city of SF. I imagine we are setup for the same scenario during the next recession regardless of if a new condo tower is being built or not.”…
    We are in that “recession” right now. Our GNP is actually below 3%, the unemployment rate is above 4.5% and the NASDAQ has room to grow. Interest rates on loans are above 6%.
    Total residential real estate sales in units are off 25% to 30% from the records set in 2004 & 2005. Very few multiple offers, some sellers are actually ready to “make a deal” and are less optimistic than they were last year.
    But remember the economic engine is a big engine. Our $12+ trillion economy is hungry and wants to continue to grow throughout the world.
    The future is in front of you. Go enjoy it. Get invited to see the Queen E. on Superbowl Sunday. The largest passenger ship to ever visit SF!!
    Frederick

  29. I think anon 8:42 PM got fired from Google…
    Again no way to spin it. Google coming to the neighborhood will be wonderful. How can it not be a positive for SF? The key now is to get Google to be an permanent anchor tenant after their 3 year lease.
    The Google folks are a well educated, smart bunch with salaries ranging from 60k-150k with tons of options. If only 10% decides to buy in the neighborhood, that’s win win. If I were Infinity, I’d put up signs around Hill Plaza promoting the development.
    With up to 800 people wondering around during lunch, breaks, etc, I can imagine how many will make their way to the sales center. Heck the Infinity building itself is probably the greatest marketing tool!
    And the timing couldn’t be more perfect for Kuleto’s new bay restaurants. Smack right in front of Hills Plaza. I’m sure Kuleto’s dancing in his sleep…

  30. “I don’t agree with that. Unless you get a middle unit, the corner units will have pano 90 degree views because of it’s cuvature (and the middle units won’t directly face the 2nd tower either). And since only one corner of the 2 buildings will be facing each other, it’ll only be partially blocked by the second building. The rest of the units not facing the 2nd tower won’t be obstructed and will have some combination of bridge, bay, skyline or twin peaks views.”
    I could draw you a picture, it is simple geometry but I don’t know how to post. Think of the buildings as octagons. Two faces will be exactly parallel to each other. If the buildings are square, you don’t have any windows facing each other it is the corners. The large expansive round windows will be looking right into each (direct line of sight) on the closest corners. Don’t get me wrong, I like the design, I just think the second tower will block the fantastic bridge southeast views of the first building almost completely.

  31. I think that Anonymous at 9:22 overestimates how many google employees will go out for lunch. Google gives all of its people free food that’s better than 90% (at least) of the restaraunts out there.

  32. Even if Google has in-house restaurants for its workers, it still benefits the local economy– they’ll need food service workers, chefs, etc, and presumably meat, produce, etc will be bought from local vendors.

  33. meat, produce, etc will be bought from local vendors.
    I’d love to see a post that looks like this:
    Yes, I’m a representative of Google and we’d like to announce that if any of you Infinity owners will start raising chickens, we’d be interested in purchasing them. And that offer applies to any chicken farmers in downtown SF.
    Failing that, we’ll be buying from Purdue in the eastern part of the U.S.
    As for food service workers, we will be giving special preference to food service workers who will be thrown out of work by the fact that our employyes aren’t eating in the restaurants that formerly employed the food service workers. Like you, we think that that killing one job and starting another, gives the economy a real benefit.
    Oh, except for the business owners of the places that were frequented by the former tenant’s employees of the place we just rented. The business owners, of course, will be screwed. But we’re thinking the economy should “benefit”, as you said because we have the same number of lower paid service jobs while cutting out the business owners.

  34. Tipster, you have to be the most entertaining poster on this board. You continue to proliferate this board with your ever educating posts.
    With all your knowledge you must be rich.

  35. This is a temptest in a teapot about google and food. Does anyone even know if Google will provide the same in-house cafeteria that they do in the ‘burbs? There’s a reason that firms do that in isolated suburban “campuses”….much less reason downtown. I would expect that Google would be a lot like any conventional office user for on-site amenities (ok…maybe a little better!).

  36. They provide the same in-house cafeteria in Manhattan, which is about as non-burby as you can get.
    The food part is a tempest in a teapot. But I think that the prime effects of opening this office on the city are going to be fewer people driving up and down 101 every day and trying to park in the city when they get home. And also maybe some of the other big tech companies opening up offices up here to compete for employees.

  37. Salesforce.com already has 1,000 people two blocks up the street from The Infinity. I wonder how many of them are going to live at The Infinity?

  38. The space that will be occupied in SF by Google employees is space that previously was used by the Gap to house a number of its corporate headquarters employees. Now that things aren’t going so well for the Gap, they no longer need the space.

  39. I live near Pixar and they provide food although I am pretty sure it is not free. The addition of the Pixar campus even with all its amenities still helped the local restaurants, real estate developments and businesses. Frankly, I would rather get out of the office for my breaks even if the food was free.

  40. “And that offer applies to any chicken farmers in downtown SF.”
    I was thinking more of the food vendors who supply other restaurants in SF, including some who are selling nearby at the Ferry Building farmer’s market. That includes many small businesses, not just low paid service workers.

  41. I just looked at these today. I’m considering buying one of the two bedrooms on the 5th floor of the tower. In my price range, there is only the 4th and 5th floor. Does anyone have any suggestions about whether this is a good time or whether I should wait and see if the prices will fall or incentives will be added.

  42. Curious about James’ price range, too. I know some folks got 2 beds in One Rincon for $800-$900 per sq ft (most in earliest part after the release) but I’ve heard nothing but $1,000+ per sq ft for Infinity. Anyone know if you could get a 2bd corner unit above the 10th floor for $1.2 million or so?

  43. Back in July when they first started releasing, you could’ve gotten one of those corner units in the mid to high $800s/sqft for the 10-12th floors. At the 15th floor it would jump to around $900/sqft.
    I also remember a corner unit on the 25th floor going for $950/sqft. When I checked again in late Aug or Sept, those units were gone as well as those prices. I think they are now selling around $1000/sqft for anything above 10th floor and $1200/sqft for 25th+ floors and up…
    It certainly pays to get in early!

  44. Gap moved Old Navy to a new building in Mission Bay, thus freeing up space within the Folsom HQ building to bring back employees from the now Googley space. GAP has a cafeteria, by the way.
    I used to live a few blocks from my office, for me it got old to be in the same place all day and night. I moved a few neighborhoods away and enjoy it much more, to each his own.

  45. As for my price range, I’m trying to stay below 900k. It looks like that is going to mean I’ll be exactly at 900k if I go to the infinity. It looks like the floor plan I want will cost about 775 per square foot. I excited about it, but can’t help but fear what the effects maybe of all of these condos hitting the market in Rincon and South Beach over the next couple years. I plan on leaving the bay area around 2012 and don’t want to take a hit on the sale price.
    Of course, I’m currently renting for $3500 per month, so I really just need to buy soon.
    James

  46. Does anybody know if they changed their square footage estimates for the units? I was there in the summer, and most of the 4 corner 2 bedrooms (floors 4 to 27) in the highrise were advertised as 1317 sq ft — I verified the printed floorplan advertisement last night. Now, their website has those same units as listed 1163 sq ft. Was this a reaction to the square footage lawsuits at other developments? Very interesting.
    [Editor’s Note: Good catch. The printed floor plan (and online pdfs) are correct (and have not changed); the current website is erroneous (see comment below).]

  47. “Does anybody know if they changed their square footage estimates for the units? I was there in the summer, and most of the 4 corner 2 bedrooms (floors 4 to 27) in the highrise were advertised as 1317 sq ft — I verified the printed floorplan advertisement last night. Now, their website has those same units as listed 1163 sq ft. Was this a reaction to the square footage lawsuits at other developments? Very interesting.”
    My guess is that once they got further along in construction, they released that the actual dimensions were a little less than originally thought. It’s usually an innocent enough mistake if properly disclaimed before-hand and being an “estimate only.”
    I bought at 1Rincon and their sales team was clearly well prepared by the developer’s lawyers (or their own lawyers) on how to phrase the square footage estimates at such an early phase of construction. Ironically, it turned out that what they originally told me my square footage would be, did not change in contract documentation, but I don’t think it’s unusual for that to happen.
    If the Infinity sales team were smart, they would have stayed silent on sqaure footage in marketing materials and just given verbal estimates with the proper disclaimer, then no one could really get annoyed if the square footage numbers later dropped.

  48. An estimate of 13% higher than actual square footage is more than a little adjustment. If my understanding of the facts is accurate, do they have an obligation to tell the buyers who entered into contract before they revised the square footage?

  49. Early price: $880 psf x 1317 sq ft = 1,158,960
    And then, the same unit, after the “adjustment”
    Late Price : $1000psf x 1163 sq ft = 1,163,000
    Yes! As the poster above notes, it pays to get in early! It pays exactly $4,040!
    Are there any current incentives that weren’t available back in the “early” days. If so, that’s gonna wipe out that $4K pretty quickly.

  50. That’s a pretty drastic change in the square footage. I can’t imagine a professional architectural firm could be off as much as 13%.
    Looking closer at the website and the square footage of each floor revealed that on the 15th floor, the total square footage for all 8 units totaled 8739 sqft. On floor 20, the total was 8983 sqft.
    But on the 28th floor and higher where the larger units are, the total of the 6 units was only 8392 sqft. Now I’m no architect, but is there a plausible explanation? The building does not get narrower as it goes higher.
    I guess the upper floor buyers should be happy, since the sqft didn’t seem to change, but the lower floor folks may be thinking lawsuit, lower price, or backing out if they can.
    Has anyone contacted the sales office for an explanation? Maybe a mistake in the website?

  51. Adding up all the units on the floor is not a really reliable method to check for area accuracy as this measurement would not include the common areas (stairs/halls/elevator). I don’t know about you, but if I were dropping a mil or two on a condo based on some blueprints, I’d ask how they came up with the area figures they are selling you. Like specifically – are they measuring from the outside wall and the midpoint of interior walls or from interior wall to interior wall like the condo map will calculate. Also, I’d ask if there are any common areas loaded into the condo area figure as that’s pretty much a universal no-no in measuring a residential condo. Then, when you figure out how your development is measuring your units, then you have to find out how your competitors (i.e. The Rincon etc.) are measuring their units to be able to compare price per square foot figures between the two developments accurately. I doubt any developer is going to be real forthcoming with this info, but then again, if you’re dropping some serious money on one of these units, you definitely have the right to know.

  52. For gods sake! SOMEONE has got to come up with an excepted standard for measuring Sq Ft of condos. Every time you slice it you come up with a different number. But, alas, there is no “official” method and we’re all left wondering. I guess the best thing to do is to decide if you like the HOME, the LOCATION, the AMENITIES, etc. Then, if you decide to buy, it’s not just based on a cold calculation of $$/SqFt. These aren’t pork bellies, they’re HOMES!

  53. So I think I’m going to put down a deposit on one of the 2 bedrooms as my first home purchase. Does anyone know if there are any incentives being offered that I should try for?
    I greatly appreciate any advice you can give.

  54. Didn’t people take a look at the county assessor’s plans before buying? This states the actual square footage. Has this changed or did people rely solely on the marketing materials and agent’s word?

  55. Yes – the condo map will show the square footage, but it is not always in the public record. With these larger buildings, it appears that sometimes the developers keep that information out of the public records intentionally – probably to make it harder to directly compare unit sales in a building. For instance, the size of a unit in the Beacon does not appear on the public records.

  56. Ok I just talked to Chris at the sales office and the units on the website is INCORRECT.
    Apparently the website designer made some mistakes and placed the wrong SqFt on the wrong units.
    For example, go to the 18th floor, look at middle unit 18A. It states 1317 SqFt, which is the same as the corner units previously. Now if you download the PDF file for 18A, it shows the real size of 1163 SqFt.
    Now go back and download the PDF file for any of the corner units and they all show 1317 SqFt.
    The PDF file is the correct version per the Sales Office. They will try to correct the website asap.
    Terrible mistake on their part, but NO they are NOT taking away square footage. Whew!

  57. Okay – here’s the straight scoop on condo maps and square footage.
    For you conspiracy theorists, developers don’t intentionally keep information from the public record. Condos CANNOT BE SOLD without a recorded condo map. It’s the law.
    Secondly, just because the condo map discloses the “official” square footage doesn’t mean everyone will agree that that is the accurate square footage. For example, The Beacon sales and marketing team used the square footage from the condo map for all of its marketing and discosures – and got sued. How on earth can you blame a developer for misrepresentation when they are simply disclosing the official square footage that was recorded with the county??!!
    I’ll say it again – SOMEONE needs to come up with an excepted standard for measuring condo square footage. Until then, it’s only fodder for lawyers and bloggers!

  58. Incorrect – that was the whole point of the Beacon brouhaha – the sizes that the developer sold the units on were not the unit sizes listed in the condo maps. And yes, the recent condo development boom is making the need for a standard measuring method the more urgent. And no, it’s not just fodder for bloggers and lawyers, it’s something that buyers and sellers need to educate themselves about as it is a key element of their property, their property’s value, and the marketplace as a whole.

  59. “These aren’t pork bellies, they’re HOMES!”
    Really? From some of the postings here, I thought they were just leveraged investment vehicles. Hope the Google millionaires buy quickly, before the hedge funds price them out!

  60. “Yes – the condo map will show the square footage, but it is not always in the public record. With these larger buildings, it appears that sometimes the developers keep that information out of the public records intentionally – probably to make it harder to directly compare unit sales in a building. For instance, the size of a unit in the Beacon does not appear on the public records.”
    It is much easier to see the county assessor plans since they are included in the contract! Everybody gets to see it before they decide to sign. Its the law.

  61. Can anyone tell me what the price per square foot is of the hardwood upgrades. I’m planning on signing a contract tomorrow and want to make sure I am getting a good rate.
    Thanks

  62. James, I’m not sure what the going rate is at Infinity, but at other developments around the city, to upgrade a 2bedroom approx 1200sqft unit would cost anywhere from 5-8k depending on the type of hardwood. What are they offering for the upgrade and what unit did you decide on?

  63. THanks for the response about the floors. The sales rep mentioned that they were about 15k for just the common areas of a two bedroom. She is offering to throw it in for free, but, for the sake of other negotiating points, I want to know what the real value of what she is throwing in is.

  64. Well that seems high just for the common areas unless it’s some high grade floors I don’t know about… Upgrades usual cost more if you go thru the design/sales center vs doing it yourself. I would ask for more. Maybe some upgraded appliances or upgrade in the bathrooms. If you want to know the cost of buying and installing highend hardwood floors, check with a contractor or just visit home depot. You can usually get a ballpark figure with them.

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